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Post by pposey on Oct 31, 2010 20:01:21 GMT -5
seems like a short or long action savage centerfire with a different bolt head could do the job
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esmd
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Post by esmd on Oct 31, 2010 20:16:45 GMT -5
I don't suppose there's any chance of a grass roots email campaign to Joe DeGrande or Ron Coburn to save the 10-ML II???
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Post by bigmoose on Oct 31, 2010 20:57:52 GMT -5
Not likely
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Post by tdillinger on Oct 31, 2010 21:35:10 GMT -5
I don't suppose there's any chance of a grass roots email campaign to Joe DeGrande or Ron Coburn to save the 10-ML II??? Well, esmd, You never can tell. There is no particular mystery. It is just respectful that Savage reps, distributors, and dealers are informed of the current stance in detail before random internet musings take over. What exactly does that mean? Is the 10 ML II going to be lived, revived, or put to bed?
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Post by riddleofsteel on Oct 31, 2010 22:34:24 GMT -5
Sounds like "names are withheld pending notification of the next of kin."
I guess Savage does not want distributors like Natchez, Gander Mountain ect finding out on the internet why their recent orders for 10ML II's aren't coming in.
Sad to see smokeless muzzle loading slip back to the world of custom or semi custom rifles only. The 10ML II was expensive enough as a production gun. If we lose a major company's support for a production smokeless muzzle loader watch the prices on used Savage 10 ML II's go thru the roof.
Anyone tried to find a new Savage 10ML II for sale on the internet in the last few days?
Maybe I am missing them but I don't even see any rifles for sale on Randy's web site.
Guess what?
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Post by Al on Nov 1, 2010 2:36:59 GMT -5
seems like a short or long action savage centerfire with a different bolt head could do the job now your thinking
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Post by spaniel on Nov 1, 2010 5:46:56 GMT -5
As long as aftermarket ventliners and sabots continue to be made....
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Post by bigmoose on Nov 1, 2010 8:56:27 GMT -5
Savage will continue to sell breech plugs
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Post by zakjak221 on Nov 1, 2010 9:20:47 GMT -5
I still think that the Savage ML is priced "In Line" for what it offers. When I switched from T/C to Savage, I (like others) NEVER looked back. The gun gives me basically a single shot centerfire equal in a state-Illinois- where everything else thats legal to shoot is sooooo much less in terms of velocity/ maint./performance and cost to shoot per round. When I see a used Savage ML for sale, it generally doesn't last long. Like other things though, I guess I don't see the BIG picture! Mark
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Post by bigmoose on Nov 1, 2010 9:46:10 GMT -5
Mark,
While I have not way of knowing, I would guess the Muzzleloaders were not 1% of Savage total production. I think only companies that only produce ML's can still in business. Just MHO
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Post by chuck41 on Nov 1, 2010 11:02:55 GMT -5
For a very long time it has been very hard to find local gun shops that carried the ML10-II. Regardless of how good the guns are, the bad press of the nay-sayers about smokeless muzzleloading have done a number on the wholesale demand. Even today it is hard to find anyone in local gun shops that understand anything about the ML10-II. Several years ago I held hope that someone else would get into the smokeless ML market, but that has not happened. I guess those of us who cling to our ML10s and custom smokeless guns will be all that can enjoy their excellence in the future. I too suspect that the value of our ML10s will go through the roof as a result of Savage's decision.
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Post by randywakeman on Nov 1, 2010 11:52:06 GMT -5
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Post by morgan1109 on Nov 1, 2010 13:04:04 GMT -5
So… Does anyone know where I can pick one of these up discounted? Every discount internet site I used in my original search is sold out. I’ve got way to many people interested in my gun to not have any options for them. I’m thinking of picking up at least 1 more.
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Post by DHinMN on Nov 1, 2010 13:18:41 GMT -5
I was hoping Savage would come out with 10ML III. With an improved action with a bolt removal device, a premium barrel in 45 caliber, a better synthetic stock and all weighing a pound less. I suppose it is too much to hope for. I would guess the best way to get a smokeless ML now would be to convert a single shot 45-70 to a muzzle loader.
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Post by bigbuckslayer on Nov 1, 2010 13:24:03 GMT -5
Have 2 wish I had kept the one I sold sad news............
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Post by rossman40 on Nov 1, 2010 13:27:24 GMT -5
Maybe they will bring back the 10ML with a limited production run every couple of years. Till then I guess I can build a few Remingtons. If all else fails I can have some 10ML receivers made and build them up from parts and probly come up with a better rifle.
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Post by bigmoose on Nov 1, 2010 14:12:33 GMT -5
rossman,
The" fixtures/setups" are being remover from the line, so not even the actions will be for sale. Sad but if are making a product and not selling it, it hard to stay in business. A nail in the coffin was when the Cabela,s model fell flat. I have my .45 and .50, lots of breech plugs and vents, so I'm good to go. It sure has been a wonderful rifle, Ive been shooting them since 01, and I'm sure they will out last me.
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Post by rossman40 on Nov 1, 2010 14:48:20 GMT -5
I have a lathe and have access to a mill. I can make a receiver! I also have a friend with a manufacturers FFL so selling them could even be legal.
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Post by rjhans53 on Nov 1, 2010 15:03:26 GMT -5
I was hoping Savage would come out with 10ML III. With an improved action with a bolt removal device, a premium barrel in 45 caliber, a better synthetic stock and all weighing a pound less. I suppose it is too much to hope for. I would guess the best way to get a smokeless ML now would be to convert a single shot 45-70 to a muzzle loader. . You could always get a a barrel for an encore from SMI. The 700 set up wouldn't be that hard to do either (this comes from a guy that has the stuff to do it, action & barrel vices). SMI did a conversion on a kp1 45-70 barrel for me and it shoots pretty well, I have decided however that I favor bolt guns. taking a standard savage action and doing the 32 acp breech plug would work also, with the information in this board and the ability of many here this is just a chanllenge to to overcome. The real problem is that it will hinder bringing any new faces into the fold
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Post by bigmoose on Nov 1, 2010 16:11:28 GMT -5
Rossman, That is fine for gents like you and others. As for me I have trouble figuring out which side of a file to use....there is two sides. I admire folks that can make items themselves
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Post by lundy on Nov 1, 2010 17:55:59 GMT -5
Well, I sure am glad that I didn't sell my 50 laminate like I was going to.
I have two PacNor 45's and was going to sell my 50, but not now.
I may even buy another one if I find the opportunity.
Has there been any announcement from Savage concerning how long parts will be available?
Thanks, Kim
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Post by edge on Nov 1, 2010 19:15:14 GMT -5
OK, you have my attention. Please explain. edge. Interestingly enough my original thread on this topic was deleted at the other forum without explanantion. Also when I posted on a restarted thread that post was deleted and the thread was locked. What's did I pee in someones Cheerios? If so that was not my intent. I only meant to inform and to give a heads u for those that love this fine muzzle loader. I guess I know where I am not wanted. However an explanation would be nice. I know you are monitoring this thread as well. Well................
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Post by tucker301 on Nov 1, 2010 22:13:38 GMT -5
I'm glad I've got one! I think if Savage had the likes of Greg Ritz out there, shooting fenced in deer on camera with their muzzleloaders, they would have had more market saturation.
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Post by esmd on Nov 1, 2010 22:55:04 GMT -5
He's talking about RW, Edge. Apparently threads/posts on this topic got deleted on Randy's site.
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Post by edge on Nov 2, 2010 5:25:27 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanation edge.
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Post by riddleofsteel on Nov 2, 2010 5:37:44 GMT -5
My heartfelt apologies to anyone that I have irritated of put out by ANYTHING I have said or posted.
That was never my intent.
I went thru and deleted all my posts on this topic.
Thanks for having an open and public board in which folks can exchange information on the muzzle loader we all love.
Good Day
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Post by rbinar on Nov 2, 2010 7:47:43 GMT -5
I love reading Randy's work. It's kinda like going through South America to get to get to Houston. To those less disposed to read such a selection of blather here's the gist of the whole thing. Not in a quote but paraphrased: the 10ML never lived up to it's sales potential.
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Post by rossman40 on Nov 2, 2010 8:00:05 GMT -5
Riddleofsteel, I do not think you rubbed anybody wrong here. On the OTHER board you may have showed up a certain person and it is irritating to get post deleted without explanation.
Here we like to keep a more open board and the few times we do delete we try to explain why. The main reasons here, besides the spammers, are safety and offensive language. If anyone has a complaint about a post just hit the "Report to Mod" and state the reason, which will bring it to our attention quickly.
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Post by grouse on Nov 2, 2010 8:54:49 GMT -5
Not in a quote but paraphrased: the 10ML never lived up to it's sales potential. I think that's part of it for sure. The other part is return on investment. How could savage of been making very much money at all on those ML'S??? This board i believe turned SAFE CLEAN AND SIMPLE into a train wreck. Everybody was looking for Joe degrande to replace barrels at no charge for stupidity. How can any company afford to do that? They can't and no other company has had to as much as Savage. The excuse to Savage has been i doubled loaded my gun and i need a new barrel. Well, that's is not right to tell you the truth. Using powders not reccomended by Savage, Duplexing, Tri-plexing, and just plain stupidity from people put Savage in a NO win situation. Then new owners are linked to this board to learn about how to use there new Savage. Are you kidding me, 95% of the people dont want all this grief and they are led to believe that's the way it is. The Savage is just as easy to operate if not easier then all other muzzleloaders. I also agree it's probably the safest one ever built. People like to spend lot's of money for speed and range to kill there Deer a mile away. Instead of spending more time in the woods and becoming better hunters. But to do that, they would need to get off there computer chair and climb a hill to find better hunting oppurtunities. It's easier to weigh two or three seperate powders and put them together and wait for a Deer to walk out in the field and shoot it a mile away. That's the kind of hunts i like to brag about. I will say there is some very good info on this board. But you got to wade thru alot of crap to find it. Anyone looking to buy a Savage ML, after reading most of this stuff would of been scared away with out doubt. Of course all of this is my opinion, and being on this board for a long time i have seen alot.
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Post by rbinar on Nov 2, 2010 9:26:33 GMT -5
Not in a quote but paraphrased: the 10ML never lived up to it's sales potential. I think that's part of it for sure. The other part is return on investment. How could savage of been making very much money at all on those ML'S??? This board i believe turned SAFE CLEAN AND SIMPLE into a train wreck. Everybody was looking for Joe degrande to replace barrels at no charge for stupidity. Of course all of this is my opinion, and being on this board for a long time i have seen alot. Well let me be the first to tell you congratulations, for being here for so long while thinking it all stinks. It is for certain Randy or one of his minions (yes I mean you) would be the first to find someone to blame. I've seen a lot as well, and that means you can't hide. If you ever had an original idea in your 10ML life I can't find it on this board or any other. So you parrot the party line for the ship even after the Titantic has sank. All remember this: It was Randy and his underlings like Tom who had control of this ship from Christening to sinking. Any attempt to blame someone else is the last disparate act of failure.
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