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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 6, 2011 20:20:14 GMT -5
Ok Guy's I am about to pull the trigger on this. But want to ask here about things to be considered that I might have forgotten or never knew. 1. It will be a 25"Pacnor DD special barrel .45, and since the T/C breech plug is a little shorter it will equate to close to a 26" barrel. 2. I now know to ask for my barrel drop. 3. I asked about fluting and they said they cant because they have no way to relieve it afterword's. 4.It will have their "hanger"system 5. Contour will be 1" straight 6. BP will be drilled and tapped for ventliner Anybody think of anything else I should ask for or about? Thanks Drop P:S: it will be on an Encore ProHunter action
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Post by deadon on Jan 6, 2011 20:23:07 GMT -5
Ok Guy's I am about to pull the trigger on this. But want to ask here about things to be considered that I might have forgotten or never knew. 1. It will be a 25"Pacnor DD special barrel .45, and since the T/C breech plug is a little shorter it will equate to close to a 26" barrel. 2. I now know to ask for my barrel drop. 3. I asked about fluting and they said they cant because they have no way to relieve it afterword's. 4.It will have their "hanger"system Anybody think of anything else I should ask for or about? Thanks Drop Dave D special if i am not mistaken. The DD had something to do with something else IIRC, Rusty
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Post by ronc on Jan 6, 2011 20:44:05 GMT -5
I am assuming this is for an Encore. What shorter T/C breech plug will you be using?
Ron
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 6, 2011 20:47:40 GMT -5
Yup Encore setup. Standard T/C Encore breech plug
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Post by dave d. on Jan 6, 2011 21:03:38 GMT -5
:)Russell 25"s is plenty. Did you decide on contour? I 1" all the way out will be front heavy but nice. If you go taper I would go 5"s straight 1" and then a straight taper to the muzzle somewhere in the .800's range. I think you will be very happy I know I was and now Ryan is.
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Post by ronc on Jan 6, 2011 21:34:46 GMT -5
Has anyone ever shot smokeless using a standard Encore breech plug? The hole for the 209 primer is .248 dia and the vent hole is around .028. That may not seal very well with smokeless pressures. Will the primer expand from .042 that much and not leak?
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Post by deadon on Jan 6, 2011 21:35:46 GMT -5
:)Russell 25"s is plenty. Did you decide on contour? I 1" all the way out will be front heavy but nice. If you go taper I would go 5"s straight 1" and then a straight taper to the muzzle somewhere in the .800's range. I think you will be very happy I know I was and now Ryan is. Dave, you are a very humble man. Thank you for all you did and continue to do., Rusty
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 6, 2011 22:02:56 GMT -5
Contour will be 1" straight... Breech plug will have to be drilled and tapped for the ventliner Thanks Dave drop
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Post by dave d. on Jan 7, 2011 6:56:24 GMT -5
Has anyone ever shot smokeless using a standard Encore breech plug? The hole for the 209 primer is .248 dia and the vent hole is around .028. That may not seal very well with smokeless pressures. Will the primer expand from .042 that much and not leak? :)Ron I have with a ventliner installed. The .248 is not so much the problem as the headspacing. Get a crush fit and it will work.
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Post by olegburn on Jan 7, 2011 9:47:50 GMT -5
Drop, what's in the 1" contour that made you pick it? Heat dissipation? Accuracy wise it is not likely to help.Definitely with recoil. Just curious. olegurn
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Post by savagebrother on Jan 7, 2011 14:16:01 GMT -5
i didi not know that t/c approved there standard breech plug for smokeless powder use. could you be more specific about this?? sb
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Post by dave d. on Jan 7, 2011 15:18:09 GMT -5
:)terry its being modified to except a ventliner.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 7, 2011 16:43:27 GMT -5
1" barrel = 1-strength 2-rigidity 3-heat dissipation 4-heavy holds better 5-help reduce recoil 6-it always looked cool on the other guy's gun
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 7, 2011 17:10:00 GMT -5
WOOO HOOO............. Just got off the phone with bullberry.... There went a chunk of change!!! It's on order! Now I gatta start saving for glass. And I think I want a laminate stock.....But thats later.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 11, 2011 21:48:42 GMT -5
bump again
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Post by tar12 on Jan 12, 2011 6:24:25 GMT -5
You will keep us posted? lol ;D
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Post by johnp034 on Jan 12, 2011 6:46:23 GMT -5
i didi not know that t/c approved there standard breech plug for smokeless powder use. could you be more specific about this?? sb T/C has never approved any part of any of their ML's for smokeless.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 12, 2011 16:56:13 GMT -5
You will keep us posted? lol ;D Yup I sure will ;D
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 13, 2011 21:26:45 GMT -5
posted
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Post by boarhog on Jan 14, 2011 17:39:24 GMT -5
I thought you TC conversion guys were using the standard Savage ML-2 breech plug? BH
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 14, 2011 17:42:35 GMT -5
Post Just got off the phone with Jean from Bullberry. She said she has my Pacnor on order.... But there is an 8 week window... I kind of expected this anyway. And then about a 3 or 4 week turnaround in house. But she was in hope's it could be sooner. But oh well... I know how the PacNor shoots and I am quite willing to wait for its arrival. It will just give me some extra time to save up for the stock set I want and the new glass it is going to need.... And I have my Savage to shoot in the meantime. 10 or 12 Weeks from now will be prime weather to be getting outside at the range with it.... Chomping at the bit...lol Drop
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 22, 2011 10:54:21 GMT -5
11 more weeks...... ;D
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Feb 3, 2011 14:30:59 GMT -5
8 more week's... ;D
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Post by screwbolts on Feb 4, 2011 6:59:37 GMT -5
I thought you TC conversion guys were using the standard Savage ML-2 breech plug? BH Boar and others, If I understand this thread it is about a replacement barrel for a encore frame that is 1" straight. That indicates to me that the breech is 1' diameter also. Is this correct? Is the stock TC BP 5/8" ? Does the stock TC BP have an extended nose forward of the pressure sealing shoulder, like the savage BP? Doing the math a 5/8s BP will only leave a max of 3/16 wall thickness in a 1" barrel. a 11/16 BP will cut this down to 5/32, about the same a a heavy shotgun barrel. Screwbolts
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Feb 4, 2011 13:09:54 GMT -5
Im not a machinest but as close as I can measure it it looks like the savage is 5/8 also . Anybody?
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Post by dave d. on Feb 4, 2011 18:44:46 GMT -5
:)savage and t/c's bp's are both 11/16"s.the savage has no more metal around the bp and they are quite strong.
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Post by screwbolts on Feb 4, 2011 19:04:49 GMT -5
Does the t/c have the extended nose?
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Post by dave d. on Feb 4, 2011 19:28:53 GMT -5
:)no it doesnt but the t/c encore has a huge welded lug on the bottom side of the barrel that has to add to strength.
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Post by dave d. on Feb 5, 2011 15:29:03 GMT -5
:)ken I'm glad I amused you and it appears that you have all the answers on this subject so there will be no need to discuss this any further. And since you will not be shooting this particular conversion because its obvious that you do not think its safe there's nothing more to discuss but thank-you for your great wisdom . BTW the lug thing was something that was told to me by mike of on Target technologies who built my encore barrel and did a ton of encore work. Maybe he's right maybe he's wrong either way it dosent matter i will keep shooting mine and loving it.
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Post by screwbolts on Feb 5, 2011 19:25:40 GMT -5
Dave D, Yes I found the welded Huge Lug statement to be very amusing! I am glad you find it reassuring! SLMAO :-) It is my understandings that T-C very strongly prohibits the use of smokeless powder in all their MLs. Are these not the very rifles that use the breech plug that this thread is discussing for use in a smokeless rifle?? The standard T-C breech plug: Thompson Center 7763 Breech Plug Encore 209X50, Omega. ( you are just adding a vent liner did you get this approved by TC) Now if my info above is correct then you are openly suggesting the use of a breech plug from a gun that the manufacturer {T-C }prohibits the use of smokeless powder in! Is this not the case!! Being you are promoting the use of a prohibited by the manurfacture breech Plug wouldn't this entire thread be against Doug"s rules!!! Dave, you are aware of " the line in the sand thing "! You are a Moderator is that not correct, Global I believe. * Wasn't it decided that using / discussions using smokeless powder in unapproved by the manufacture guns, to be not allowed on Doug's. * The BP your suggesting be used is from a Non approved gun! Is there some stated or written rule that using only one part of a NON approved gun is OK to be discussed. But no more than one very important part, a breech plug. [/li][li] The Line In the sand is clearly stated here, dougsmessageboards.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=smokeless&thread=3620&page=1Quoted from the above linked post # 4 by edge: "Long ago Doug decided that the "line in the sand" revolved around whether the manufacturer approved smokeless in their rifles! Some may use the 700ML for smokeless but take those discussions to emails or PM's. Until Remington approves smokeless we won't question their thinking The barrels may very well be barrel steel, but the heat treatment or barrel thickness may not be appropriate for 40 or 50 or 60 Kpsi and we don't want anyone to think that they are safe. You are free to ask someone to PM you concerning Remington loads, but please don't post them in the open or they will be deleted. edge. " Now Dave based on the above, (I know Remington is used as the example) Isn't the TC plug unapproved by TC with or without the savage style vent liner? Ken
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