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Post by shooter on Sept 29, 2010 17:03:00 GMT -5
I was on my way out to the range today with a guy i met off the board his name is carol figured i would check my PO box on the way and low and behold the barrens  was here he sent these out Monday off to the range i went.I look at these bullet and the first thing i thought look awesome yes i was excited they are very flat.  :)they remind me of a xtp .here the result of the loads i shot today.i was able to shoot up to 64 gr with out blowing sabot probably go hire. TEMP 68 degrees Here a pic of the new bullet compared SST, bx, new-bx xtp. the SST is 1st one on left the 2nd is the old barrens and 3rd is the new flat base barren and 4th is the xtp If you look you will see the radius on the old barrens and the sst.    The other 2 holes are 62 gr that i had to cover up. 200 Yard targets.   Carol great shooitn with you. |
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Post by Chris Champion on Sept 29, 2010 17:22:46 GMT -5
Now that's what they should look like...Nice shooting Marty. I'll be calling Barnes tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2010 18:02:31 GMT -5
Do the new bulk packaged 195's at the Barnes Store have the flat base?
Zen
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Post by shooter on Sept 29, 2010 18:09:54 GMT -5
Do the new bulk packaged 195's at the Barnes Store have the flat base? Zen Panhandle,You have to call barrens and ask for them here a number to call for people that once them 435-856-1105 this is Ty number just tell him you want the new flat 195 bullets he will guide you in the right direction |
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Post by deadon on Sept 29, 2010 18:20:57 GMT -5
I was on my way out to the range today with a guy i met off the board his name is carol figured i would check my PO box on the way and low and behold the barrens was here he sent these out Monday off to the range i went.I look at these bullet and the first thing i thought look awesome yes i was excited they are very flat. :)they remind me of a xtp .here the result of the loads i shot today.i was able to shoot up to 64 gr with out blowing sabot probably go hire. Here a pic of the new bullet compared SST, bx, new-bx xtp. the SST is 1st one on left the 2nd is the old barrens and 3rd is the new flat base barren and 4th is the xtp If you look you will see the radius on the old barrens and the sst. The other 2 holes are 62 gr that i had to cover up. 200 Yard targets. Carol with you. shooter, Great shooting!!! I am by far no expert. My Pacnor just arrived today and tomorrow I will be shooting it in the rain. I can't wait  Can you tell me please why you went from 60 to 64 grs skipping 61 , 62 and 63 grs of H 4198? Thank you Sir, Rusty |
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Post by shooter on Sept 29, 2010 18:30:34 GMT -5
dead on,I was just trying to blow a sabot with the new flat base.I did shoot 62gr just 2 shot to see if it would blow sabot.I only had like 3 or 4 64 gr made up.I would have shot that at 200 yrds.I was just seeing how much i could go before i blew sabot that why i skip 61 and 63 but fore final tuning i would not skip them. 64 gr no blown sabot |
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Post by Richard on Sept 29, 2010 18:42:50 GMT -5
Way to go Marty! Thanks for the pictures.
If any of you had been following the other post started by TAR, you would have seen my message I sent to Ryan at Barnes. If you are not aware of the message, read TAR's post. Here is Ryan's reply:
These bullets are in plain cardboard boxes. Most dealers/distributors are not interested in keeping these types of products so they will only be available through our website. Like you said: We have to sell at full retail so we don’t compete with our dealers. Buying they from Mid-South may be the cheapest option. If you order with us and spend $100 or more, you can get free shipping to all 50 states. That can help to lower the end cost. All of our new .400 MZ bullets have the flat base that works in the smokeless muzzle loaders. We have both old and new lots on hand. I recommend calling and specifically asking for the new ones with the flat base (small radius). The large radius works fine in standard muzzleloaders. Once we are out of these, all new bullets will have this small radius. Thank you.
435-856-1105
Ryan
Well, there you have it! So order 150 of them and you get free shipping ;D
Richard
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Post by deadon on Sept 29, 2010 19:41:25 GMT -5
dead on,I was just trying to blow a sabot with the new flat base.I did shoot 62gr just 2 shot to see if it would blow sabot.I only had like 3 or 4 64 gr made up.I would have shot that at 200 yrds.I was just seeing how much i could go before i blew sabot that why i skip 61 and 63 but fore final tuning i would not skip them. 64 gr no blown sabot Fantastic, Shooter, Looks like we got a WINNER. Thanks to you and everyone else who got on Barnes about screwin up a great bullet, Rusty |
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Post by tdillinger on Sept 29, 2010 19:45:07 GMT -5
I was on my way out to the range today with a guy i met off the board his name is carol figured i would check my PO box on the way and low and behold the barrens was here he sent these out Monday off to the range i went.I look at these bullet and the first thing i thought look awesome yes i was excited they are very flat. :)they remind me of a xtp .here the result of the loads i shot today.i was able to shoot up to 64 gr with out blowing sabot probably go hire. TEMP 68 degrees Here a pic of the new bullet compared SST, bx, new-bx xtp. the SST is 1st one on left the 2nd is the old barrens and 3rd is the new flat base barren and 4th is the xtp If you look you will see the radius on the old barrens and the sst. The other 2 holes are 62 gr that i had to cover up. 200 Yard targets. Carol great shooitn with you. Ok Great shooting, now i am still learning so bare with me, this is not your standard 10ml II you are shooting a different barrel etc? or am i way off base? 195 out of a 50 cal would tumble at 2800 fps? Let me know, thanks |
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Post by pposey on Sept 29, 2010 19:45:46 GMT -5
whats the slowest speed these will open well at??? are they all copper?
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Post by deadon on Sept 29, 2010 19:53:56 GMT -5
whats the slowest speed these will open well at??? are they all copper? Great question Mr P ;D |
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Post by tar12 on Sept 29, 2010 20:11:10 GMT -5
All copper .40cal for shooting with a sabot in the .45
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Post by rybo74 on Sept 29, 2010 20:21:58 GMT -5
I had asked that question before and they told me around 1100fps.
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Post by pposey on Sept 29, 2010 20:36:15 GMT -5
Ohhhhhh that sounds nice, I need to place an order
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Post by DBinNY on Sept 29, 2010 21:16:41 GMT -5
tdillinger, the barrel is a .45 caliber Pac-Nor.
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Post by lwh723 on Sept 29, 2010 21:50:01 GMT -5
Wow, this is a historic day in the lives of 45 PCNR owners. Exciting! |
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Post by tdillinger on Sept 29, 2010 21:56:24 GMT -5
tdillinger, the barrel is a .45 caliber Pac-Nor. Ok so now i have to learn what that is, is there a class room some where? maybe we shouls all make an effort to make a printed manual. |
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Post by DBinNY on Sept 29, 2010 22:00:36 GMT -5
The .45 Pac Nor is a drop in replacement barrel for the Savage (or Remingtons). You can order it from Pac Nor for a little over $400. It comes chambered for the Savage breech plug. You just screw the factory barrel nut and barrel off and the Pac Nor on.
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Post by tdillinger on Sept 29, 2010 22:04:39 GMT -5
The .45 Pac Nor is a drop in replacement barrel for the Savage (or Remingtons). You can order it from Pac Nor for a little over $400. It comes chambered for the Savage breech plug. You just screw the factory barrel nut and barrel off and the Pac Nor on. Im learning, slowly. Thank you Sir |
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Post by lwh723 on Sept 30, 2010 12:59:48 GMT -5
Shooter.... How long were you waiting between shots? Were you using a cool rod?
Thanks...
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Post by dave d. on Sept 30, 2010 14:00:40 GMT -5
:)I'm not marty but we did talk and no cooling rod and pretty much load and shoot. It was 70 degrees.Btw great shooting Marty and thanks for all your leg work.
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Post by lwh723 on Sept 30, 2010 14:27:06 GMT -5
:)I'm not marty but we did talk and no cooling rod and pretty much load and shoot. It was 70 degrees.Btw great shooting Marty and thanks for all your leg work. Thanks. I saw the temp in Marty's orginal post, but I wanted to check on the fire rate. Glad to hear it was load and shoot. This just keeps on getting better and better. |
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Post by shooter on Sept 30, 2010 14:29:46 GMT -5
:)I'm not Marty but we did talk and no cooling rod and pretty much load and shoot. It was 70 degrees.Btw great shooting Marty and thanks for all your leg work. Thanks. I saw the temp in Marty's original post, but I wanted to check on the fire rate. Glad to hear it was load and shoot. This just keeps on getting better and better. Sorry guys should have been more specific on that pretty much load and shoot the longest Waite was about 4min. :)NO cooling rod. |
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Post by Chris Champion on Sept 30, 2010 16:17:10 GMT -5
The .45 Pac Nor is a drop in replacement barrel for the Savage (or Remingtons). You can order it from Pac Nor for a little over $400. It comes chambered for the Savage breech plug. You just screw the factory barrel nut and barrel off and the Pac Nor on. Im learning, slowly. Thank you Sir tdillinger, Here is some more info on the 45 cal Pac Nor aftermarket barrel: dougsmessageboards.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=build&action=display&thread=3Many have went this route to reduce recoil, flatten trajectory, shoot .450-.452 dia resized bullets sabotless or because they may have had accuracy issues with their 50 cal. Or because they just wanted to have a new toy to play with. ;D You can also look in the Load Data sub-board at the top of the smokeless muzzleloading page for other info regarding some of the loads that are currently being shot in the 45. |
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Post by Richard on Sept 30, 2010 19:50:33 GMT -5
Just another note on the Barnes bullets: I ordered 150 of them today for myself and Herman to try. $65/75 bullets with free shipping...................However  , if you live in North Carolina or Utah, they bang you for SALES TAX. So the $130.00 for 150 bullets became $140  . Hopefully, in time, once the remaining plastic 24 packs are sold out, the new ones will have the Flat base bullets and, if Mid-South holds their price of $19.+ per package, us NC shooters can buy them somewhat cheaper from that source. Oh, the reason was the fact that Remington owns Barnes and they are now headquartered in NC........thus the sales tax. Richard |
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Post by shooter on Sept 30, 2010 20:20:36 GMT -5
Just another note on the Barnes bullets: I ordered 150 of them today for myself and Herman to try. $65/75 bullets with free shipping...................However , if you live in North Carolina or Utah, they bang you for SALES TAX. So the $130.00 for 150 bullets became $140 . Hopefully, in time, once the remaining plastic 24 packs are sold out, the new ones will have the Flat base bullets and, if Mid-South holds their price of $19.+ per package, us NC shooters can buy them somewhat cheaper from that source. Oh, the reason was the fact that Remington owns Barnes and they are now headquartered in NC........thus the sales tax. Richard Richard you are really going to love theses bullet they look allot like the xtp these bullet will take the heat. :)cant wait to here your range report with them. ;D with any luck the next rang report these group should be tighter |
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Post by Richard on Oct 1, 2010 16:15:17 GMT -5
Marty..........I have actually had some pretty good groups with the ones I have. The load that blew the last one was not as hot as others I have shot so.......  ? They are probably right on the edge of poking thru the sabots? I may still try to pick up some .40 cal. wads and seat them under the bullet inside the sabot and see what happens. I would hate to buy 1,000 of them and they don't work, but maybe I can hawk some off a local back powder shooter ;D Richard |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2010 17:06:16 GMT -5
After reading all reports on the flat base Barnes I got to looking at the base of the old style bullets. It seems the base is concaved which leaves the bullet making contact on just the outside edge of the sabot. This would make for increased pressure on the sabot in my book. If the new flat base bullets shoot better under increased pressure I would think this would be the reason. Here's a question for you who have the new designed bullets: Are the bases on these new bullets flat across the bottom or are they concaved like the old ones?.....I'm thinking the flat base is what will allow increased pressures by spreading out the area of contact instead of just around the edge...Anyhow, I ran ten of the old style Barnes bullets through my drill press and took the concave base out of them....They're now flat across the bottom and weigh 193.5 - 194gns. Next time to the range I'll jack the powder charge up and see how they hold up.
Zen
After posting this I re-read shooters initial post and it answers my question about whether the base is flat or concaved....Thanks shooter
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Post by shooter on Oct 1, 2010 17:32:25 GMT -5
Marty..........I have actually had some pretty good groups with the ones I have. The load that blew the last one was not as hot as others I have shot so....... ? They are probably right on the edge of poking thru the sabots? I may still try to pick up some .40 cal. wads and seat them under the bullet inside the sabot and see what happens. I would hate to buy 1,000 of them and they don't work, but maybe I can hawk some off a local back powder shooter ;D Richard Richard,send me pm of address.I got some wads I can send you to try I got a 1000 of them.I will send you like 50-60 of Them. |
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Post by Richard on Oct 1, 2010 19:53:25 GMT -5
Thanks Marty........PM sent.
Richard
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was here he sent these out Monday off to the range i went.I look at these bullet and the first thing i thought look awesome yes i was excited they are very flat. 
:)they remind me of a xtp .here the result of the loads i shot today.i was able to shoot up to 64 gr with out blowing sabot probably go hire.
Can you tell me please why you went from 60 to 64 grs skipping 61 , 62 and 63 grs of H 4198? Thank you Sir, Rusty
, if you live in North Carolina or Utah, they bang you for SALES TAX. So the $130.00 for 150 bullets became $140 
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