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Post by fishhawk on Feb 26, 2011 7:40:12 GMT -5
I just measured it, .200 thick on the nose, everywhere I measured. From bottom of lug surface to barrel hole is .585", bottom width is 1.085" (tapered). The part the barrel goes through is 1.063". If the barrel is 1.2"- how is this going to work? Are they cut down that much for threads? The threaded section on a takeoff barrel is 1.058", This is why the DMB and Pacnor DD 700ml barrels are designed to be used with a .186 lug. The threaded 1.058" surrounded by the upper band of the lug is not nearly as strong as the solid 1.20" section. Any thing thicker than the .186 lug puts this thinner area near or into the high pressure area in front of the breech plug. It is possible that they may not want to do your barrel with a .200 lug after they get some standardized measurements put into their computers, along with the fact that I have brought to their attention the pressure issues of using thicker lugs even though your is very little thicker. My contact with them had many intentions, #1 safety, ease of ordering for them and us, easier repeatable specs for every breech plug /lug area to save them time.
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Post by edge on Feb 26, 2011 8:24:30 GMT -5
I had planned on sending them my action anyhow, .014 is really not a whole lot now that I think about it. It is a little more than 1/72 of an inch! IMO, this would depend on how far the primer goes into a normally spaced rifle! If the headspacing is tight with a 3/16 lug then I might agree that a .200 lug won't matter, BUT if the normal tends to be looser then you may get more blowby than you would like. I doubt that it would be a deal breaker for me, but some folks are a bit more fussy than I am about the rifle being pristine edge. PS if someone were to try that with an ACP case vs a 209 primer then the extra gap WOULD be a problem for cleanliness and more importantly for ignition!
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Post by hoz on Feb 26, 2011 10:38:50 GMT -5
Hi Guys,
I plan on ordering my McGowen barrel in the next day or so. It is for a Rem. 700. First of all, thanks to Fish and the other fellas who put time in to getting this done. I too have spent time on the phone with John from Savage-barrels and I am eager to get my new barrel from him. Anyway, I was wondering how hard it will be to do the headspacing myself. I dont mind having them do it, but if it is an easy job I will probably do it myself to save time. Thanks for your info fellas.
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Post by fishhawk on Feb 26, 2011 11:22:39 GMT -5
The plan is to have the barrels built to be under headspaced by something like .010-.020" . With a primer in the breechplug the bolt will not go far enough forward to close. The breechplug is then removed and you file a small amount of material off the end of the primer pocket, assemble and retry. Repeat until the bolt closes without excessive force. Patience and a little at a time will assure a good primer to breechplug seal.
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Post by alphaburnt on Feb 26, 2011 12:18:08 GMT -5
To use one the two barrel contours (DMB) is there an additional custom contour charge of $30?
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Post by fishhawk on Feb 26, 2011 13:10:59 GMT -5
To use one the two barrel contours (DMB) is there an additional custom contour charge of $30? I don't think so, they said these were two added contours for us. I e-mailed Dan at McGowan to be sure.
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Post by hoz on Feb 26, 2011 15:12:40 GMT -5
I was told by John at savage-barrels there would not be a $30 charge. These would be considered standard.
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Post by dannoboone on Feb 26, 2011 15:49:15 GMT -5
That charge is already figured into a McGowen barrel which is advertised as a Savage, Remington, Marlington ;D, etc. If you go to McGowen's site you will see they have their barrels on this page, priced as purely chrom moly blanks (same with SS): www.mcgowenbarrel.com/catalog1.htmGoing to the following page you will see a set of different prices which, among other things includes contouring: www.mcgowenbarrel.com/catalog4.htmNotice the price differences. The following page has a list of those contours specific for Remington, Savage, etc.: www.mcgowenbarrel.com/contouring.htm
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Post by fishhawk on Feb 26, 2011 16:41:51 GMT -5
I e-mailed Jon at savage barrels, telling him I thought it might be a good idea to offer lugs and breech plugs with the barrels. Since the Callahan lug comes in ss or chmoly in the white (un- blued) they can blue lugs as they blue barrels (yes they do blueing). Jon thought that was a great idea, and is looking into it. I gave him the manufactures contact info for the lug so he can go direct. If this works out barrel, plug,and lug can come from the same source saving us calls and shipping costs plus a blued lug.
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Post by Jon on Feb 26, 2011 17:50:18 GMT -5
I'm looking forwards to seeing how these work out I'm wanting to do a Ml1 or similar single fire reciever which may be better I've just got to figure which reciever this would be a 40 cal. Are they only doing Remington if so I may have to look into that. I have no problem with Remington it's just finding a c/f reciver at a reasonable cost I would prefer not to have the barrel nut anyway. Jon
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Post by guppy on Feb 26, 2011 19:50:37 GMT -5
Got it done last night. Chamberd it on Thursday, made a couple of plugs to fit it and bedded it Thursday night. Cleaned up the bedding and reassembled everything this morning. Measured out some H4198 and knurled up some 275BEs to three different sizes, started to pack everything up, and no primers...ugh. So packed up the truck and went steelhead fishing, oh well. I did get a couple hudred CCIs on the way fishing though, even stumbled across a bottle of N110. I won't have sobots till later in the week so tomorrow it will just be sabotless. Now if I can figure out pics I'll get some up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2011 20:10:41 GMT -5
Guppy.. Looking good...It amazes me what some of you guys can do with your rifles. It looks like one of those sniper rifles they use in Afghanistan..Probably shoots like one also. Zen
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Post by mike.dawson on Feb 26, 2011 20:25:08 GMT -5
all, esp fishhawk, they have all the parts for the barrels at McGowen, I sent them all, everything you quoted several weeks ago; hunters bolt, action, .186lug and the old barrel as well as fed 209a primers
Mike
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Post by deadon on Feb 26, 2011 22:19:41 GMT -5
Got it done last night. Chamberd it on Thursday, made a couple of plugs to fit it and bedded it Thursday night. Cleaned up the bedding and reassembled everything this morning. Measured out some H4198 and knurled up some 275BEs to three different sizes, started to pack everything up, and no primers...ugh. So packed up the truck and went steelhead fishing, oh well. I did get a couple hudred CCIs on the way fishing though, even stumbled across a bottle of N110. I won't have sobots till later in the week so tomorrow it will just be sabotless. Now if I can figure out pics I'll get some up. i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab20/GuppyII/IMG_20110226_185248.jpgGUPPY , you ae my hero!!!!!!!! ;D
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Post by fishhawk on Feb 26, 2011 22:45:29 GMT -5
all, esp fishhawk, they have all the parts for the barrels at McGowen, I sent them all, everything you quoted several weeks ago; hunters bolt, action, .186lug and the old barrel as well as fed 209a primers Mike Mike, Those Items are there now? You didn't list a breech plug, but I assume they have your Savage plug? If they have all your items still there, I won't need to send mine! Thanks for the info. I'll check with McGowan Monday.
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Post by alphaburnt on Feb 27, 2011 1:49:50 GMT -5
If I am not mistaken, they will take care of head spacing for your barrel, breech plug IF you send them everything. I figured they would be more qualified than me to do such a task.
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Post by alphaburnt on Feb 27, 2011 1:51:09 GMT -5
IF head spacing is correct, you get a slight crush when you close the bolt, is this correct?
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Post by mike.dawson on Feb 27, 2011 8:36:07 GMT -5
Those items are all there, incl savage breech plug, my barrel should be her real soon as it was out for lapping, and yes they will head space it, I have been dealing with Dan for about 5 weeks over at McGowen, they have all the pieces
Mike
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Post by guppy on Feb 27, 2011 16:24:21 GMT -5
Well, took my boy and the neighbor kid shooting today and got some rounds off woth the new rig. Here's my helpers. And here's the first group out of my McGowan bbl. The shot to the left was a clean barrel, the next two touched, the high shot was number four and it had loaded a lot harder than the rest. Shot five touched #2 & #3. The only way I could get it to shoot was with bullets that were knurled up to 0.453". I then tried to knurl some but I only had one file and a surface that wasn't hard enough to do any good . Then I proceded to break my loading jag. , So I just gave up and watched the boys. So at least there is some hope. Maybe I can get out later this week and shoot some 200 sst's and try some more sabotless with wool wads or veggy wads. I will try to keep updates coming.
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Post by Al on Feb 27, 2011 16:55:59 GMT -5
nice rig!
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Post by tar12 on Feb 27, 2011 17:37:00 GMT -5
Looks like you are off to a great start! Keep it coming!
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Post by fishhawk on Feb 27, 2011 19:40:13 GMT -5
IF head spacing is correct, you get a slight crush when you close the bolt, is this correct? I wouldn't say crush, but for the best seal slight pressure on the stepped shoulder of the primer to the primer pocket is best. As far as having them headspace for you that is fine if your uncomfortable doing it yourself. You will have the added expense of sending them your parts and possibly a headspacing/fitting charge. I think Mike Dawson mentioned in an earlier post that he was paying $75 for this.
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Post by Richard on Feb 27, 2011 19:54:12 GMT -5
Guppy.........the gun looks great and the results are showing.......Nice to see the boys out getting broken in the right way! Richard
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Post by fishhawk on Feb 28, 2011 10:38:52 GMT -5
The DMB contours will be considered standard contours, no extra custom contour charge!
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Post by GMB54-120 on Feb 28, 2011 12:49:17 GMT -5
The DMB contours will be considered standard contours, no extra custom contour charge! Good news, im quite happy with a drop in 45cal Savage replacement or one that requires very minor fitting to the stock. IMO keeping it simple at first, then moving on after you are sure the base model is working out well is the best approach atm.
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Post by fishhawk on Feb 28, 2011 13:11:56 GMT -5
Thr DMB contours are intended to be used in 700ml stocks, but these contours would work for an aftermarket stock/Savage repacement if the 1.20" dimension was reduced to the barrel nut ID. For a direct replacement for a 10ML-2 the #7 straight taper is what you need to fit the barrel channel.
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Post by tar12 on Feb 28, 2011 14:07:40 GMT -5
Guppy, Question for you..so they are set up to run a standard .45 Savage barrel now?
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Post by guppy on Feb 28, 2011 17:33:42 GMT -5
Tar12, I ordered a large shank .45 blank. I had them thread for receiver and contour, that's it. I crowned and threaded for a plug I made myself. My gun was originally an ML-II-BP from cabelas, that's why large shank. The savage varmit #2 contour required only a little sanding over the original barrel contour. I've got some sst's now and waiting on some sabots and hope to be out later this week. Talk to you later, Kevin
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 20:05:16 GMT -5
Guppy, Question for you..so they are set up to run a standard .45 Savage barrel now? I'm wondering the same.... Zen
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Post by tar12 on Feb 28, 2011 21:38:50 GMT -5
Kevin, I will need a large shank barrel as well for the ML-1 build. We will have to get on that as well as standard barrel.
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