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Post by saint1 on Apr 6, 2011 0:38:50 GMT -5
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Post by nexttime on Apr 6, 2011 2:23:08 GMT -5
I found out a long time ago that you get what you pay for when it comes to optics. Just a hunch, since I don't know you. But you probably won't be happy in the long run. JMHO.
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Post by rossman40 on Apr 7, 2011 12:26:01 GMT -5
Come on Saint1, if your trying to sell your scopes give some more data and at least admit to it. More then one person here knows how to trace a IP address. If you say this is the same scope you make for BSA or other scope brand then maybe someone might be interested. Are you the factory or just a middleman peddling Chinese factory over runs or seconds.
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Post by saint1 on Apr 7, 2011 21:22:07 GMT -5
Hi, Rossman40, I get these stuff from the factory that made BSA,Bushnell. But my scopes have no brands, as we can't sell the brand things,so I want to know what foreigners think of them. Most of you think that it's bad things but actually their quality is good. That website is mine, but was said to be a scam site. I admit that, Rossman40. Hope those have interest contact me, I can help you to get BSA things but have no BSA on it.
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Post by rossman40 on Apr 7, 2011 21:56:41 GMT -5
I appreciate you answering back and being honest and that goes a long way around here. Being a moderator here I have a tough enough of a time dealing with the Nigerian scammers trying to take advantage of board members.
Many here have used the BSA and lower end Bushnells. The big drawback has been the ability to take recoil of the larger calibers and not break. While they work better on rimfires and smaller calibers, using them on heavier calibers (loads in the 10ML approach .375 H&H Mag levels) quickly destroys them.
I have noticed a big improvement in the quality coming from the Chinese factories in the last few years.
I will leave this thread up and perhaps some members will think about purchasing from you. I hope you visit frequently and feel free to ask questions. We are mainly hunters around here and if you read some of the older posts you may learn more of what we use and expect from our equipment.
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Post by Rifleman on Apr 8, 2011 15:43:36 GMT -5
Boot'em Rossman!
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Post by mdgroundhogger on Apr 8, 2011 18:15:41 GMT -5
I second that!
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Post by rossman40 on Apr 8, 2011 22:08:52 GMT -5
Come on guys! In all fairness I do not think that is right and in the spirit of the board. He came on wanting opinions and not really hawking a sale. He did answer when asked and seemed honest. Maybe he can learn something from here that may help his sales and in return we may learn more about the workings of the Chinese optics industry.
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Post by Rifleman on Apr 9, 2011 5:54:24 GMT -5
Put a leather sole right square in his commie sellin butt
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Post by dans on Apr 9, 2011 9:38:27 GMT -5
+1 Rifleman, that's the American way!
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Post by rossman40 on Apr 9, 2011 11:21:03 GMT -5
I do not want you guys thinking I'm getting soft in my old age but a swift boot is not warranted here. If he did not answer my post or burned a board member then that would be a different matter. National politics set aside, he is doing the capitalist thing trying to make a buck and maybe he can learn something here on what we expect from a businessman. At least he is not on Ebay selling counterfeits. Who knows, he may turn out to be the next David Bushnell and change the Chinese optics industry for the better. Besides if he stays here long you guys would probly corrupt him. Basicly I'm willing to give the guy a chance and look forward to at least maybe talking to him. Maybe he knows the plant where the Swarovski spotting scopes are made.
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Post by mountainam on Apr 9, 2011 12:15:07 GMT -5
Your a wise man Rossman40. I agree with your ruling. If there's insincerity involved-- it will shake itself out.
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Post by Rifleman on Apr 9, 2011 12:48:46 GMT -5
Sorry Ken, but I think your just an old softie ;D
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Post by cuda on Apr 9, 2011 15:03:55 GMT -5
If there was a way to test them from some one that was known on here. And did a review of how it holds up then he could say it was good or not. That might make a difference. Some one want to give it a try?
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Post by dannoboone on Apr 9, 2011 15:36:07 GMT -5
Last time I fell for a scope fully made in China sold for a little more than that. There were a couple things wrong with it, the most memorable being little curly-cues from a drill bit flopping around inside. The rear glass magnified them quite well enough to see exactly what they were. It went back to the Gander Mountain.
For about 6X what this gent is asking for his Chicom scope, I got a couple that only get assembled in China. Was so impressed with the first that I got a second one. Even at that they are on lighter recoiling rifles, a .243 and a .22-250. However, if a person has trouble with it, ya BETTER have the original receipt. They are Ospry International scopes. Someone reported on another forum that the glass is made in Japan, and I believe it. Even lines on the target at 100 yards are clear and distinct. The optics rivals my Bushy 4200.
I don't care to spend a fortune on a sighting device, but how good can a scope be in which either rings or mount cost more??
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Post by whyohe on Apr 9, 2011 22:04:57 GMT -5
Rossman, your doing the right thing. he was up front with us and not deceptive. he wants HONEST AND UN BIASED opinions, give them. look at the product and judge the product.
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Post by saint1 on Apr 10, 2011 21:28:10 GMT -5
I did learn something here, Rossman. Sorry to tell you that I don't know the plant that the Swarovski spotting scopes were made. But I sure it's in China and I can try to find out. Dannoboone, actually the scope with "Made in Japan" was made in China too. Because they can put the "Made in Japan" on the optics as they have factories or companies in Japan. And they send most of their things to China to assemble as the labor cost is less expensive. That is what I know.
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Post by rossman40 on Apr 11, 2011 10:42:05 GMT -5
I'm glad we didn't scare you off and you went away with a bad first impression of the board.
I have known for years that Hakko (now Japan Optics)and Asian Optics was farming stuff to China and Korea. The main player is Light Optical Works but it seems there is the Japanese optical mafia where you have the same major stockholders in several of the companies like Kenko, LOW, Kowa, AO and others with loyalties to bigger companies like Hoya, Fujinon and Ohara. Everyone thinks Nikon is a major player but fail to realize that the sports optics side is licensed off to the "mafia" group.
In todays global economy things get blurred. In the past (and to some extent still) the biggest complaint with Chinese components was quality but how much of that was/is due to the demand for lowest cost. I think you are seeing that now in China with workers who are more skilled/experienced with good work ethic demanding higher pay. The factory pays the workers more so cost goes up and the next thing you know the product/production is moved to a plant with lower cost.
I have a friend in the golf equipment business. He said a major company was having club heads made here in the states. To cut cost they went to a supplier in Japan, to cut cost more they went to Taiwan, to cut cost again they went to China and finally to cut cost even more they are now made in Vietnam.
I looked over your website and while your scope prices are a bit better (even with shipping calculated in) then you can buy the BSA branded products here. The lack of a lifetime warranty may be a stumbling block. But then again if I am buying a $49 scope for my kids .22 do I care. Another one is customer support that appears to be in North America which you do have. Maybe people are still a bit old fashion and like to talk. Probly the biggest thing is not being able to see the product. I can go to a retailer here in the states like Gander Mountain and put my hands on the scopes, different manufactures and models. Once I figure out what brand and model I want I can then try to find the best price on the internet. Lack of brand identity, plain white box no-name scope doesn't always get it. But then again we have been burnt by several companies that will market a product under one name and then when everybody figures out it is crap just re-brand it with a different name.
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Post by saint1 on Apr 12, 2011 5:12:23 GMT -5
You are right, rossman. Many investors went to Vietnam or Indonesia to generate products. And now in China,this year, our import amount begins to exceed export amount, it indicates that some countries' labor cost and other cost in total is cheaper than China. And our Industrial chain growing begins to slow down. Finally, I really appreciate your advice to my website. It is really good advice. Thanks.
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Post by rossman40 on Apr 24, 2011 21:50:59 GMT -5
Saint1, Are all the riflescopes, spotting scopes and binos on the WelcomeGet.com site your products?
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Post by saint1 on Apr 25, 2011 20:19:04 GMT -5
Only the riflescopes(no brand) are my products. The Visionking(spotting scopes, binos) are the products from another Chinese supplier.
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Post by pposey on Apr 27, 2011 12:44:42 GMT -5
Id rather have a cheap rifle than a cheap scope,,, I can fix a cheap rifle,,,,
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