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Post by thelefthand on Jan 20, 2011 23:45:03 GMT -5
I've been shooting my 50 cal for years now and I love it. Best deer gun ever IMHO. However, now that Savage has stopped making them, it has dawned on me that as my kids get older I'll have to convert something else over to smokeless for them and the handi rifle conversions that I've been reading about seem to be just the ticket. My real question is about the .458 bullets/barrels. How difficult are they to load, and how much recoil should I expect when shooting 300gr bullets at moderate velocities? I'm not going to be doing anything with this for YEARS (daughter is 3 and son is 9 months), but it will be some information to sock back for later use.
Thanks,
Mark
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Post by Chris Champion on Jan 21, 2011 7:35:12 GMT -5
Mark,
Recoil of a 300g bullet out of a handi rifle would be similar to the same bullet out of a savage given the same velocity. Even more out of a handi rifle if they are significantly lighter than the Savage. If you want soft shooting loads for your kids then stay away from 300g sabotless bullets and look at shooting 200g XTP, 200g SST, 195b Barnes in a sabot. A 2000 to 2200 fps load with any of those bullets would be a soft shooting load and a real deer killer.
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Post by pposey on Jan 25, 2011 9:31:22 GMT -5
31 grains 4759 and a 200xtp is a real creampuff to shoot and kills well
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Post by thelefthand on Jan 28, 2011 19:46:09 GMT -5
Maybe a question better suited for another section, but here it is anyway. I've tested 250gr and 300 gr bullets extensively out of my ML10-II and I have found that there's no comparison. The 300 gr bullets are by far better suited for killing deer, even at regular (150gr) black powder speeds. The 250 gr bullets just don't have a long enough trunk section. With that being said, how do the 200 gr bullets hold up? Are they penetrating well? Is anyone recovering any of their projectiles from game? If so, what do they look like? I think I killed about 10 or 20 deer with 250 gr loads out of my gun, and NONE of them had an exit wound. All were found flat as a time under the hide on the far side. Ranges were 20 to 130 yards with MV of around 2500 fps give or take 50 depending on the load I was using that year. Conversely, all of my 300gr loads have exited (duh). The coyote that I hit at 250 yards had an exit wound about the size of a golf ball. That has me a little gun shy about using lighter bullets. I know that lighter is relative to diameter, but I don't have any experience with the 40 cal stuff.
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Post by tslc on Feb 6, 2011 20:31:35 GMT -5
All the deer I have shot with the 195 barnes have exited. Several pass the 200 yd range.
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Post by dannoboone on Feb 6, 2011 21:31:50 GMT -5
Fellow lefty, ;D the Barnes bullets are absolute "equalizers". I
truly believe that anything the 300gr bullets you have been using
will go through, so will the 195gr Barnes. They are tough, tough
bullets, and do extensive damage. Rarely does anyone find one,
unless its a full length body shot.
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Post by tar12 on Feb 6, 2011 21:37:29 GMT -5
8 this year with 195 Barnes with 2 of those past 300 yds and 1 complete pass through on a 295yd fox squirrel..seriously.. ;D
If I had it to do all over again for the kids I would have went with the .45 to begin with.You mentioned .458 bullets....They require a tight fit and on a fouled bore in the winter they can be tough to load for a adult let alone a kid in a .50. I would go with a lighter contour than the standard offering at 24 in. With reduced loads and a all copper saboted .40 cal. bullet.especially for pass throughs, it is the no brainer route to go for the kids.The reduced loads can be increased as time goes on....
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Post by pposey on Feb 7, 2011 11:20:35 GMT -5
Gotta match bullet construction to speed just like a centerfire,
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