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Post by petev on Dec 23, 2010 22:27:58 GMT -5
Now I know that the title almost implies that there are bullets that will give you a DRT kill, without covering the subject of placement, but this question is not about placement. The question is: given a well placed shot, what is your favorite round for having a deer drop in its tracks? For me it is 35 Remington for pure knockdown power. What's yours? Please don't respond with discussions of "any shot in the lethal zone will kill". I know that, but I like real knockdowns, since over half my deer were killed just before dark, and I'd rather not track far in the dark if possible. Anyway, have at it!
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Post by mike3132 on Dec 24, 2010 1:04:22 GMT -5
25-06
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Post by Dave W on Dec 24, 2010 9:02:32 GMT -5
7Mag Sierra Gameking 160 HPBT Far more often than not, they melt in their tracks. No exit holes, ever! Chest cavity looks like a grenade went off internally.
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Post by youp50 on Dec 24, 2010 13:47:51 GMT -5
I have had the same experience with the 140 gr tipped bullets from a 7 mag. "It kind of numbs them"
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Post by cheesehead on Dec 24, 2010 14:32:10 GMT -5
7mm Remington Magnum, 120 grain hornady hp's.
Cheese
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Post by deadeye on Dec 24, 2010 15:33:05 GMT -5
rifle-300rum w/ 180 ttsx mz-275be
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Post by swampman on Dec 24, 2010 15:38:23 GMT -5
.30-06 Remington 180 grain Core-Lokt through both front shoulders.
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Post by pposey on Dec 25, 2010 0:45:55 GMT -5
7mm-08 120BT at 3100fps
.30 cal 150BT at 2950fps
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Post by billc on Dec 25, 2010 19:02:40 GMT -5
358 Win 225 gr Sierra SBT
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Post by cfvickers on Dec 25, 2010 21:58:40 GMT -5
6.5x55 I am 16 and four for DRT kills. none of the four went more than 5 good leaps.
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Post by alphaburnt on Dec 26, 2010 12:34:56 GMT -5
I used to work in a sporting goods store and you hear a lot of talk. I usually would pay attention to little of it, but when you hear something enough, you start to listen. The cartridge that produced the most DRT kills was the 30/30! I do not remember what grain bullet was most discussed though.
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Post by cfvickers on Dec 27, 2010 14:20:18 GMT -5
With the 30/30 it was likely a 170 grain flat nose.
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Post by ourway77 on Dec 27, 2010 18:15:57 GMT -5
I recently had my rifle rebarreled was a 7MM Mag so I had it done the same, shot 154 Hornady prior to rebarreling, I tried them in the new barrel while they shot good, they didn't do what I expected. Tried 140 grain nosler and that was the ticket. Shot a 3/8" group at 100 yds and 1' at 200 yds. It's a shilen best of the best hand lapped barrel. this being the first rifle I ever had rebarreled I was amazed. I am having another 7MM Mag rechambered to 7MMRUM, It was a fantastic shooter as it was it has the same twist so it should do the same (HOPE). The 154 bullets dropped the deer in thier tracks, but of course there is shot placement if you don't take out i of the vital you will be looking. Here if you don't find it at night when you go back in the morning foxes beat you too it. As it stands now I will have to see what the 140 grain bullets do. But with some states opting to go with no lead bullets That will be another story. Lou
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Post by smokepole50 on Dec 27, 2010 20:23:33 GMT -5
Lou, I would try the Nosler 140gr Partition in your 7MM Mag. I hunt with a 700 Rem in 7mm Mag and found that it takes a well made bullet to hold up to the velocity a 7MM Mag will produce. The Nosler Partition will not shoot as tight a group as a Ballistic Tip but when it hits its mark the nose completely explodes and the base punches right on thru leaving you two holes EVERY TIME! I shoot 65gr of IMR4350 with the Nosler 140gr Partition and a Rem. 9 1/2M primer and I have never lost a deer with that rifle. I hear the 160gr Sierra BTHP also work well......
I think DRT can be accomplished with many different bullets and calibers. The bigger they are then the better chance you have for a shock to the system that will put them on the ground long enough for the damage to the organs to take effect. Taking out the front shoulders often makes all the difference but most of my DRT shots have been when the bullet hits the top of the shoulder blade and slices across the bottom of the spine. Not necessarily hitting the spine but shocking the spine and dropping the deer to the ground for long enough to bleed out inside...DRT
Smokepole
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Post by petev on Dec 27, 2010 21:04:58 GMT -5
Lou, I would try the Nosler 140gr Partition in your 7MM Mag. Taking out the front shoulders often makes all the difference but most of my DRT shots have been when the bullet hits the top of the shoulder blade and slices across the bottom of the spine. Not necessarily hitting the spine but shocking the spine and dropping the deer to the ground for long enough to bleed out inside...DRT Smokepole Smokepole, this shot also goes thru the lungs right?
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Post by pposey on Dec 27, 2010 23:54:54 GMT -5
If you want to shoot a small bullet fast try the 120BT, it's tougher than the 140 and larger 7mm BT's, Might not get many exits though at mag speeds
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Post by esshup on Dec 28, 2010 1:17:58 GMT -5
Of all the deer that I've shot, I think the 250g SST has the best DRT record. I shot a doe this year at 24 yds right in the chest as she was looking at me and her legs folded under her as she went down.
Shot placement is everything. With that said, the Savage may lead because I'm extra careful with shot placement.
The Barnes 300 and 350g "X" bullets in the Savage work just as well on hogs. No tracking required 3 for 3.
My .257 Wby shooting Wildcat bullets 125g R.B.B.T. ULD's is running a close second.
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Post by smokepole50 on Dec 28, 2010 9:50:32 GMT -5
Petev
Yes the high shoulder shot most always destroys the top of the lungs. I don't know if bullet fragments do it or bone fragments but the lungs are always hit by something. I have shot two does this year with my new 45 cal Accura and 200gr SST's, both shots were high shoulder shots just below the back bone. Both Doe's hit the ground, DRT. One shot was at about 85 yards and the second was at 125-150 yards. I was shooting at about 2200 fps with BH209.
I believe hiting the shoulder blade and or possibly a rib going in transfers a lot of the bullet energy into the animal. It initiates bullet expansion as good as any shot you can make and places those bullet and bone fragments right above all the vitals so they shower down into the rib cage. You take out at least one leg with this shot and I believe you stun the animals spine with the impact shock wave, rendering it unable to run off. I have seen this shot take out both bucks and doe's and all they usually do is raise their head one time and maybe kick a bit....DRT.
Smokepole50
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Post by petev on Dec 28, 2010 10:30:51 GMT -5
smoke, very interesting. I took 2 deer this year with the same bullet placement- an inch or less behind the back of the shoulder blade. In both cases the bullet damaged some of the liver, and took out one lung on the second deer, and exploded the stomachs of both deer. I'm sick of exploding stomachs and dealing with the concern over meat spoilage, which I've avoided by cleaning, so maybe I'll try your shot.
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Post by 153 on Dec 30, 2010 21:28:23 GMT -5
Best 270Win with a 130 BT@2900fps 2nd 243Win with a 85HPBT Gameking@3200fps 3rd 30-06 with a 150BT@2750fps I tried the SST this year with the 270 and 06 good results but I am more pleased with the BT(Ballistic Tips) It is truely amazing how well the 243 is with the 85gr GameKings.
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Post by killitgrillit on Jan 1, 2011 3:37:35 GMT -5
270wsm with 130gr bergers vld hunting bullet.
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Post by Savage Shooter on Jan 3, 2011 16:20:05 GMT -5
7wsm with 140accubonds @ mv 3300 24" barrel.
7mm Mag with 140accubonds @ mv 3310 26" barrel.
Nearly always get exits with either gun, really like the accubonds.
Accubonds and good velocity go together real well, extremely accurate and excellent terminal performance.
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Post by pposey on Jan 3, 2011 21:34:32 GMT -5
I wish they would make a 120 7mm accubond. be great in the 7mm-08
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Post by cfvickers on Jan 4, 2011 8:56:42 GMT -5
If we are discussing particular bullets, the 6.5mm 140 Sierra Game King has never not one time failed to drop a white tail DRT in my presence. 13 of those 16 I spoke of have been with this bullet at speeds around 2500 FPS at the Muzzle. Not a lot but the record doesn't lie. I shoot deer in the rib cage just behind the front shoulder and they fall dead same with my ex wife. They just drop for her.
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Post by smokepole50 on Jan 4, 2011 18:43:15 GMT -5
It is very hard to beat a properly placed 6.5 bullet. The cross sectional density of the 6.5 insures two holes 99.9% of the time and Sierra bullets just perform like a bullet should. It is hard to beat a Sierra Game King bullet.
Smokepole50
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Post by mountainam on Jan 4, 2011 18:53:39 GMT -5
Smokepole50, I totally agree, I know two gunsmiths that I asked the question, You can do it all ,what would you build for yourself? Suprisingly each named the 6.5x55 Swede. Sierra was a premium bullet 35years back-- before everyone else were calling their bullets premium. Great round that flat out kills.
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Post by cfvickers on Jan 5, 2011 14:25:52 GMT -5
Yeah, some times ballistics charts just don't tell the real story. I read a while back where the 6.5x55 was not considered an accurate round. I believe I should humbly disagree. there are other inherently accurate rounds, but I have had several and all but one easily placed three of just about anything inside an inch. This one took some load work but it will now place 3 in one hole at 100 yards, and still less than 3/4 at 200. I have a 6.5-284 hunting rifle that will consistently put 3 shots inside of 1/2 inch at 200 yards. Shot a deer this year at 240 through the woods and she went down nose first and never even kicked, again with a shot through the rib cage, no meat damage, just an instantly dead deer. I would never take anything away from the .270s 7mms or 30s but I must report that I have had more run after being hit with a 180 grain + projectile from a .300 wm than I have seen run after that little 6.5.
On the note of the Sierra Game King, most of your writers judge a bullet by what it will do on heavy thick skinned game such as elk. Plain fact is that with white tail, a heavily constructed, and expensive, bullet is not what you really need, you need something in between. they talk about them shedding jackets like it is a bad thing when the deer fell DRT every time they shot one. For animals under 300 lbs a cup and core bullet is really all you need and will do the job generally very well.
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Post by pposey on Jan 6, 2011 8:20:41 GMT -5
You always gotta match the bullet to the speed to the game taken,,,,
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Post by brute on Jan 10, 2011 14:30:15 GMT -5
7mm STW-168gr. Berger VLD
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Post by cfvickers on Jan 11, 2011 1:06:09 GMT -5
Yep, That should do it Brute!
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