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Post by northny on Oct 18, 2009 19:43:59 GMT -5
This year for the first time my sons and I am shooting .458 300 grain BO's (44 grains of AA5744 with BCR and WW primers) as a deer hunting load. The one deer we killed yesterday had it perform as advertised. Complete pass through, large exit hole.
But we also take all the coyotes we encounter. Yesterday my son and I each killed a coyote. One at 50 yards, one 80 yards. In both cases coyotes went almost 100 yards, and in both it appeared to be pass through chest shot with no expansion, little to no blood trail. Are the BO's too tough to expand on something small as coyotes?
No complaints, as the performance on deer is the key, but just wondering if my initial experience on coyotes is typical.
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Post by sw on Oct 18, 2009 19:56:23 GMT -5
I think they would be. Example: I have a Sav 223 and used to shoot 60g V-maxs for coyotes. In and out with a relatively small exit hole and had to track the coyote. Now, a very hot load with 40 NBTs, no tracking, nor usable pelt either  . You are shooting a tough bullet at <2000'/sec. If it worked well on coyotes, it would likely be more frangible than you would probably want for deer, since you picked BOs. |
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Post by Rifleman on Oct 19, 2009 1:52:37 GMT -5
With your load of 5744 frankly I think you are wasting money. The BO is not needed at the slower speed you are getting. You would be just was well served with a 300 gr xtp or a Rem 300 gr if you are going to shoot aa5744. The BO is a great bullet but really shines at a little more speed. Replace your powder with N120 or H322 and pick up some speed, extend your range. Good to go to 300 on deer. I think unless you really push the BO to 2500 or more it will always be a bit much for a yote. Faster expanders are much better. With 5744 an xtp would likely be a very good choice.
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Post by dpoor65 on Oct 19, 2009 6:50:41 GMT -5
I would say nothing is to tough for a coyote.....even with no expantion, if it hits the vitals that would be a dead yote....they may be neat to look at after the kill but if your not tanning the hide i wouldn't care to track one...you hit one with a BO and it's gonna die....
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Post by encoreguy on Oct 19, 2009 7:26:12 GMT -5
Since I don't worry about saving the fur, I usually try and hit bone, that way they go knowhere. I love watching them drop as if a sledge hammer hit them!
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Post by dannoboone on Oct 19, 2009 11:10:05 GMT -5
Since I don't worry about saving the fur, I usually try and hit bone, that way they go knowhere. I love watching them drop as if a sledge hammer hit them! VERRRRY good point. Even if the exit was no more than a .458 hole, a punch through the scapula involving a couple vertebra would be a "knock down" hit! ;D |
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Post by pposey on Oct 19, 2009 12:25:49 GMT -5
Darn near any load is a good Yote load,,,, the 120 BT outa my 7mm-08 is the same way, it will zip right through a yote but they die just the same.
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Post by artjr338wm on Oct 20, 2009 9:52:23 GMT -5
I would have to strongly agree with Rifleman's point of view. At velocites of 2100fps and below there are bullets out there that will work 100% as well as a Barnes "O" that would be considerably cheaper and work as well if not possibly a little better like Non-Mag XTPs, .458 Remingtons and Speer Gold Dots just to name a few as there are more if you look. All would excell at killing anything you hit with them deer sized or smaller.
For lower velocities below 2300fps I am a huge fan of .452/XTPs as I have shot them out of my Encore at speeds just a hair over 2000fps and they were devistating on both deer and yotes.
Also as a rule XTPs shoot very well out of 10ML-IIs.
I use and prefer Barnes "O"s as they shoot great out of my 10ML-II but more importantly I use them because I want to push a bullet around 2400fps and Barnes "O"s will stay together at that speed.
Shoot something cheaper and save your $1ea Barnes "O"s if and when you deside to increase your velocity or if you ever want to hunt much tougher critters like elk. I advise this as Barnes "O"s are one of if not the hardest to find bullets for use in the 10ML-II.
Just my thoughts,
Arthur.
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Post by tar12 on Oct 20, 2009 20:12:51 GMT -5
Get some 300 grn xtps and see how little they run!I have shot several with 44 grns of AA5744 and the 300 grn XTP.They take a nap right on the spot!As suggested save your BOs.The Rems or Hornadys in .458 are serious yote medicine as well...
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Post by deadeye on Oct 20, 2009 22:50:35 GMT -5
northny,the answer on expansion w/bo's on yotes is probably yes,they will not expand much,much like my experience w a 50bmg 750gn-amax,did not expand either however dead is dead,what is overkill?  ?however there are cheaper /inexpensive options ;D ;D |
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Post by ozark on Oct 21, 2009 12:03:13 GMT -5
Since you are loaded for deer and coyotes are just incidental targets that may appear I think I would continue to load for the deer and since you can't easily change when a coyote appears I would plug it with my deer load. I would try to hit bone on coyotes but even though they run a few yards the BO will cause death rather quickly. If you load for coyotes then you will have to use that load for deer. Or perhaps you could carry two MLs. Why not go 300 gr. XTP all the way for both with the powder load you are using?
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Post by jeremylong on Oct 25, 2009 21:57:30 GMT -5
I shot 2 with the Big Barnes O during deer season. I just cant let those things go. I just waited til I get the most length of dog with the bullet. Then it works just fine - DRT. Staight broadside shot I assume would just leave a bullet size hole and hes gonna run a little. I know for sure it just does that with a 300 win mag and 180grn nosler. Back in the younger dumber days a shot a few with that and would have to track the dang things. But dang I loved that rifle.
Now is the 25-06 with a 87grain berger. It LOVES coyotes!
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Post by sincyrman on Dec 17, 2009 20:36:10 GMT -5
My buddy got a coyote on the first and second day of deer season this year. One with a 308 the other with a 7 mag. Both ran a ways, but didn't get away. These were both boiler room hits. I agree witht he theme of this thread. Just shoot them, and then decide how it worked out!
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Post by artjr338wm on May 2, 2010 21:15:49 GMT -5
Quote:BO's---Too much for coyotes?
definitely too much, too much $$$ IMHO. If I were going to hunt with a load that had a MV of below 2200fps and had my heart set on using bullets of .458" OD, I would most likely use either the .458" Hornady's or the .458" Remington's as they will perform as well as any bullet at that MV IMHO.
If you are willing to give them a try, the 300grn .452" XTPs are about as good a bullet at your speeds as you will ever find and you can shoot about 3 XTPs to one BO.
I developed and use Barnes "Os" because my minimum MV I will push as Barnes "O" (or Barnes 290grn TMZs) is 2450fps.
I would give either the Hornady or REM .458"ers or the .452" 300/XTP a try. The feed back on all three of them both has been way over 95% favorable.
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