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Post by fishhawk on May 23, 2011 12:39:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 12:47:27 GMT -5
I ordered 2 at such a great price. The video.
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Post by edge on May 23, 2011 13:00:46 GMT -5
Of course the scope is 2,000 by itself They do have their own sabot which may be worth a try if they sell them to the public! edge.
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Post by bigbuckslayer on May 23, 2011 13:26:13 GMT -5
They sure are PROUD of everything they make.
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Post by Rifleman on May 23, 2011 13:49:38 GMT -5
I think it is interesting that they mention using a sabot with Moly, I would suspect that they simply coat the sabot with moly and can't help but wonder if anyone else has considered this with other guns like the 10mlII.
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Post by edge on May 23, 2011 14:17:58 GMT -5
I know that some have tried lubing the sabot before, but I know of no one that has had good results. I had tried lube on tight fitting sabots but have not has repeatable groups.
I would assume that they have an impregnated sabot. I have made sabots from nylon that does have moly impregnated within the material itself. It machines better and has better lubricity than plain 6/6 nylon.
edge.
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Post by mountainam on May 23, 2011 14:34:02 GMT -5
I agree with Edge. Their sabot has to be proprietary. That's one heck of a design with absolutely no skimping on quality anywhere. Goes to show you real quality costs real money. Like they say, it's a shooting system. It's had it's shakedown before you get it. They got everything right that Savage got wrong. All the thinking's been done. They used one of the best action designs ever. I guess that's the difference between following through without the bean counters getting in the way of an awesome design. Wish I could afford one. If I cashed out all of my 21 ML's I'd have more than enough---MAYBE.
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Post by bigmoose on May 23, 2011 14:39:46 GMT -5
I have $161.17, would any find soul, care to loan me the balance.
If so, many thanks in advance.
Marty
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Post by Rifleman on May 23, 2011 14:42:57 GMT -5
I can kick in 9 bucks Marty if that helps
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Post by bigmoose on May 23, 2011 15:43:22 GMT -5
Rifleman,
Now I'm up to 170.17
We are getting there, needless to say, any time your in So. Florida you get to use the rifle.
I wanted to send them an e-mail or call, to get the load info with the Parker 325, also if a resized Barnes 300 or 350 X bullet would work. The barnes 350 mic's at 1.390, the 325 FTX at 1.088, so the Barnes is Longer, even though it cooper.
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Post by bigmoose on May 23, 2011 16:06:32 GMT -5
Rifleman, Save your money, I just got off the phone with a tech at gunwerksm so far their max load with the Parker and a 318gr bullets is 62 grs of H4198 vel 2200FPS, I told him I was shooting 70grs of H4198 with 300 and 325gr bullets he didn't think they would go that high. I also mentioned the load for the Buster Bullet, he said he want any part of that load. Very nice gent, asked if would send him my load info. Said they had 4 gents testing the rifle this week 3 hit the 500 yard target first shot the last took two shots, I said in MHO its the scope that lets you do that. So in the end its a great looking rifle, that may not be able to do what your Savage .50 can do.
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Post by fishhawk on May 23, 2011 16:32:15 GMT -5
I would think a McGowen or Pacnor .45 sabotless with the 327 Parker would do anything and more for a few dollars less.
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Post by mike.dawson on May 23, 2011 17:04:16 GMT -5
Who said "there is one born every second"
Mike
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Post by bigmoose on May 23, 2011 17:52:24 GMT -5
It sounded good, put that custom scope on your savage and bang, your hitting 500 yard gongs. Easier with the Savage, extra velocity,means flatter shooting
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Post by fishhawk on May 23, 2011 17:55:52 GMT -5
Who said "there is one born every second" Mike As much as we tinker with this stuff we might be in that group. I know what my wife's opinion is!
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Post by spaniel on May 23, 2011 17:58:41 GMT -5
That is insane.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 19:00:13 GMT -5
spend 4000.00 on a custom 700 or savage including the nightforce and we can equal their performance and go on a guided hunt to boot....of course the case might cost extra
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Post by shoot2reload on May 23, 2011 20:42:03 GMT -5
I don't think this is anything close to an ideal muzzleloader. (Or even an "if-money-were-no-object" project).
They've locked into the Parker 325gr bullet and (supposedly) built a platform around it.
Forgive my theatrics, but here goes: Yawn.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 20:55:27 GMT -5
Like I said earlier this week,anybody shooting smokeless without the help or knowledge from DOUG's is missing the boat. Just think how many "not so knowledgable" "born every second" people that fork out the $7k for a nice scope and a 2200fps gun that's not even setup for sabotless shooting. It really makes me appreciate DOUGS and all the input and all the cutting edge knowledge that is here. With Rangeball's new bullet,TG's and others Pressure Traces, Richard,Savage Shooters, load development and other's range results,pacnor,mcgowen barrells.that were born here. The list goes on....and on....!!! I'm not missing the boat...!!! Thanks to all here, Greenhorn
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 21:10:00 GMT -5
Allen, now all you need is someone that knows what they are doing to build you a gun. you know they say guys from Tennessee are a little backwards, not to mention mentally challenged
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Post by wilmsmeyer on May 23, 2011 21:30:10 GMT -5
Clever marketing....blah blah....not impressed. Like watching a Bill Jordan shoot a 190 class whitetail.....30 minutes after he lands from a 3 hour flight from across the country...while spending more time talking about his new camo pattern.
Probably a nice gun...probably nothing Deadeye couldn't do with my gun.
It's another marketing miracle for the people with lots of money, a hunt wherever they want to go....and some animals will probably be wounded because of it. Not impressed
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 21:39:48 GMT -5
I've got a dang good Volunteer that knows what he's doing,Bill. Thank you for helping me out. I know your going to make me an awesome tackdriver that I'll be proud to own. Greenhorn
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Post by dans on May 23, 2011 22:26:49 GMT -5
I'm bettin' that we have some shooters that can "hit the target" at 500 yards with a properly wrung out Savage too.
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Post by spaniel on May 23, 2011 22:58:46 GMT -5
I'm bettin' that we have some shooters that can "hit the target" at 500 yards with a properly wrung out Savage too. Hitting at 500 is more about the shooter than the gun....I hit my first shot at 500 with my Omega too. The swinglock tech and capabilities are about the only thing on smokeless MLing that I've seen that I was really impressed with that did not come directly off this board. And for a grand total of <$1500 I put together my own .45....with scope....that I'd bet dinner on for that 500 yard shot too. Heck, let's make it 600 so it's at least interesting.
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Post by Rifleman on May 23, 2011 23:52:51 GMT -5
I did alot of testing at 300 with the 50 cal Savage and found that with the BO, 300 yds was about it. It was not the gun or the scope or the shooter as far as I know, it was the bullet getting hinky. Since I quit shooting the Savage due to my neck problems I have watched with interest. Seems to me that most of the difficulties with the gun/scope have been wrung out. The main thing is finding the bullet that remains stable at over 300 yds. I think Herman has gotten as far as anybody getting this thing figured out. Another problem I notice is that most folks do not have access to ranges with 300 yards or more. It is very easy to get a rifle to shoot well at 200 yds and then say " If it will shoot 2 in groups at 200, it will shoot 3 inch groups at 300, just a little lower on target." However the reality is often far different. When shooting low BC bullets it is alot tougher to get good results as the range increases. I think the question that should come from all this might be worded like this,
What is the best rifle/scope/caliber/bullet/sabot/powder/primer combo for 500 yard shooting, and what results can be expected to be gotten consistently?
I think I will start a new thread with this question, should make for interesting reading.
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Post by artjr338wm on May 24, 2011 16:28:17 GMT -5
When ever i see items such as this for sale at a price of 10X or more than a similar item I simply look at it this way:
If you can afford to spend $7000 for a item that a different makers product can perform to with in 90%+ of it for 90% less money, than go ahead, far be it from me to tell anyone how to spend THEIR money. But I feel spending $7000 for a ML is kinda like spending $400,000 on a Ferari GTO to drive to the train station to take the train to work.
Cheaper alternatives that work as well are readly available.
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Post by GMB54-120 on May 24, 2011 20:49:19 GMT -5
Its interesting but for $7000, i can think of a lot of other guns i would rather own or have custom built for me. The action is kind of unique for a ML and its maybe the one thing that makes it somewhat different than most customs. IIRC that is based on a very expensive 22RF Remington action. Some of them costing over $2000 from the custom shop in blue.
The mag plate storage is a nice touch. Ive always though that is a neat possibility for a 700 based ML build. I think ive seen a few guys do it here also.
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Post by edge on May 25, 2011 7:55:23 GMT -5
I suspect that most here do not drive a mercedes benz and definitely not a rolls royce Me neither edge. SNIP The mag plate storage is a nice touch. Ive always though that is a neat possibility for a 700 based ML build. I think ive seen a few guys do it here also. dave d did that years ago with his Remington build. He stored extra primed cases in there, inserted into foam
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Post by jeremylong on May 25, 2011 8:21:20 GMT -5
Honestly, that gun is not as intruging to me. I would rather do a different build.
Art? you really dont like other people spending their money do you?
Hey Edge - Could you show me where I can buy a Mercedes benz or a rolls royce for $7,000? Sounds like a heck of a deal.
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Post by edge on May 25, 2011 8:24:40 GMT -5
Let's see, a Savage runs 700 so the BOTW rifle is 10 times the price. Actually I am pretty sure that I can buy a benz or rolls for 10 times the cost of a chevy or ford, without breaking a sweat edge.
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