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Post by Dave W on Apr 7, 2011 14:20:12 GMT -5
How many out there are willing to pay as much as $2 a bullet for a jacketed version of the 325 BE that will work sabotless in a .40 or saboted in a .45 in the 230-250gr weight range? Keep in mind, being jacketed there is a chance of fragging and excessive meat damage at close range at high speed.
How high would the BC have to be to interest you?
Would you be willing to push a heavier bullet fast enough to stabilize it at longer ranges if needed? In other words, possibly more recoil than what many are used to now in the .45.
How much twist would be needed to stabilize this type of bullet?
How many bullets could you see yourself buying a year at these kind of prices?
Someone may possibly be needed to work with Parker closely like Fishhawk did with McGowen and Dave D did with Pac Nor. Anyone up to the task?
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Post by fishhawk on Apr 7, 2011 14:44:02 GMT -5
.375BC min. The typical 1in22twist might be marginal at extreme range. As far as recoil, it would be less than the 327 Parker for those wanting a long range bullet.
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Post by Savage Shooter on Apr 7, 2011 14:58:20 GMT -5
How many out there are willing to pay as much as $2 a bullet for a jacketed version of the 325 BE that will work sabotless in a .40 or saboted in a .45 in the 230-250gr weight range? Keep in mind, being jacketed there is a chance of fragging and excessive meat damage at close range at high speed. How high would the BC have to be to interest you? Would you be willing to push a heavier bullet fast enough to stabilize it at longer ranges if needed? In other words, possibly more recoil than what many are used to now in the .45. How much twist would be needed to stabilize this type of bullet? How many bullets could you see yourself buying a year at these kind of prices? Someone may possibly be needed to work with Parker closely like Fishhawk did with McGowen and Dave D did with Pac Nor. Anyone up to the task? I am thinking that modest BC gain to promote down range energy usable to 400 yd range would be a big step. I think a BC in the .30 range would be adequate. This way you fill the "in between" 200 to 275 grain jump and would still be attractive to the .40 caliber guys. Could still keep recoil down a bit vs going to the .450ish sabotless (I would have just kept the .50 otherwise). With 230-240 gr bullet weights 2550+ speeds will still be easily attainable. Would still shoot good in the 1:22 but by not going to overboard may still work for the BP crowd in 1:28's. Do not know anything about making bullets but pretty versed in shooting them, would be very willing as many here to test shoot and load develop, if needed. It will not take a lot of BC increase to be very helpful and I know the added bit of weight would help with burn rates we are experiencing. Only looking at a 5ft/lb recoil increase with 2550fps with 240gr bullet vs 2650fps with 200gr bullet. Yet terminal 1000ft/lbs of energy with 240gr with BC @ .30 started at 2550fps is good to 490yds but the terminal 1000ft/lbs of energy with 195gr with BC @ .19 started at 2650 runs out at 275yds.......BIG difference. JMHO |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2011 15:26:02 GMT -5
I think the 22 twist will do nicely even at 500 plus as long as its pushed hard. It really wouldnt matter to me how heavy the bullet gets as long as it stays 275 or under. as far as terminal effect, I think it would do very well given the performance of the 200 sst.
Has anyone ever talked to Hornady about a high bc .40??
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2011 15:36:02 GMT -5
Dave, I dont know if you have talked to Mr Parker but if he could give us a bottom line order number to do the tooling to get one up and running we could ante up and see if its possible. never hurts to ask. from what he told me when I chatted with him it will take some convincing from our end....
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Post by deadeye on Apr 7, 2011 18:40:22 GMT -5
the 275be is approx $1.41 per bullet//the 327be @ $2.15///
i would think a .40 somewhere around 260gn would be equal approx in price as the 275be,might make it more attractive to most, i would settle for a .40 made much like the 275be which is an awesome performer on hair/imo
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Post by Dave W on Apr 7, 2011 21:15:06 GMT -5
Dave, I dont know if you have talked to Mr Parker but if he could give us a bottom line order number to do the tooling to get one up and running we could ante up and see if its possible. never hurts to ask. from what he told me when I chatted with him it will take some convincing from our end.... After the complete flop with the Hawks  , I would rather stay out of the way on this one. Also I have little interest at this time since my gun and I prefer sabotless, but if this happens, it could hasten a 40 cal conversion.  |
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Post by Dave W on Apr 7, 2011 21:40:10 GMT -5
Ray brought this up in the other thread. Barnes showed a willingness to work with us on changing the radiused base on the 195's and bulk packaging. Maybe they would be interested in a high BC, polymer tipped makeover of the 195.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2011 7:32:49 GMT -5
Know anyone at Barnes? a tipped bx in the 250 range should have a pretty good bc
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Post by edge on Apr 8, 2011 7:34:27 GMT -5
After the complete flop with the Hawks , SNIP. Has anyone shot the Hawks sabotless? The bullets that I saw had very little bearing surface which probably was a major reason for failure with sabots in the 50 cal. Sized properly and with the dead soft jackets I would think that they should be made to shoot. edge. |
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Post by pposey on Apr 8, 2011 10:37:31 GMT -5
I started to but then pretty much decided to drop sabotless all together,,, have a few boxes of Hawks I'd sell cheap!
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Post by pposey on Apr 8, 2011 10:38:14 GMT -5
The Hawks are so soft that you could probably create a longer bearing surface by resizing them
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Post by GMB54-120 on Apr 8, 2011 10:56:50 GMT -5
I started to but then pretty much decided to drop sabotless all together,,, have a few boxes of Hawks I'd sell cheap! Which size and weight? |
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Post by pposey on Apr 8, 2011 13:27:53 GMT -5
I'll have to check when I get home tonight
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Post by Dave W on Apr 8, 2011 17:19:15 GMT -5
After the complete flop with the Hawks , SNIP. Has anyone shot the Hawks sabotless? The bullets that I saw had very little bearing surface which probably was a major reason for failure with sabots in the 50 cal. Sized properly and with the dead soft jackets I would think that they should be made to shoot. edge. Nothing I would take to the woods. I think I posted pics on the old board but I would have to check. |
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Post by edge on Apr 9, 2011 13:26:09 GMT -5
If anyone had some of the 250 grainers I would be willing to size and knurl them. If free is too much then I can't help you.... perhaps Obama has a cheaper than free bullet program, but I haven't seen it yet edge. |
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Post by bigmoose on Apr 9, 2011 13:51:33 GMT -5
Edge,
Any program obama has comes out of the Treasury, the peoples money, but I don't think, he wants to suck up to gun owners, who after all are a very patriotic group.
When we say God Bless America, we are not talking about allah
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Post by Jon on Apr 9, 2011 14:33:05 GMT -5
+2
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Post by jeremylong on Apr 9, 2011 15:57:55 GMT -5
lol
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, I would rather stay out of the way on this one. Also I have little interest at this time since my gun and I prefer sabotless, but if this happens, it could hasten a 40 cal conversion. 
