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Post by marku on Apr 3, 2011 22:19:38 GMT -5
I was looking as DSS encore barrels today. Pricey but if they shoot like their claim watch out  . So has anyone shot one before? Looks like a great barrel. Id love to get a barrel for sabotless shooting. Ive just about given up on shooting sabots infront of smokless powder  |
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Post by marku on Apr 3, 2011 22:20:20 GMT -5
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Post by killitgrillit on Apr 4, 2011 0:15:38 GMT -5
I sure wouldn't want to carry around a 30" barrel.
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Post by pposey on Apr 4, 2011 9:04:30 GMT -5
Don't know about the DSS barrels but my 26 inch 45/70 SMI conversion Encore barel shoots great!
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Post by marku on Apr 4, 2011 14:40:23 GMT -5
30" barrel doesnt bother me. Heck most Prohunter barrels are 28" long
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Post by jeremylong on Apr 5, 2011 15:17:17 GMT -5
Thats Justin Mundens web page. Not too many getting the accuracy and speed like he does. He pushes the envelope quite well it appears.
The other thing to note is that he is taking all of the legwork out of it for the person who buys the gun. He gives you the specific load, bullets sizer, breech plug, etc. everything to prove its capable of moa at about 3,000fps. No guesswork involved. you come up with the cash and he gives you the system.
I personally have no idea though as I have never shot one.
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Post by artjr338wm on Apr 5, 2011 20:53:36 GMT -5
At $1600 and you supply the Encore action puts rifle cost in the 21-2200 dollar range. Add in the cost of a scope capable of shot placement out to 500yrds and now your in the price range of $3000+. At that price I sincerly hope yours shoots 100% as good at the website claims it will.
Heck in Jan this year I paid only $6000 for a fully loaded 2001 GMC Seirra in excellent condition with 51,000 miles on it.
FWIW, you can get a SMI stainless Encore barrell in both 50 or 45cal for way less than $500, and all who have bought them here have enjoyed super results out to 300yrds according to what I have read.
If I were to buy a A/M barrel for my Encore thats the rout Id go, but thats just me.
If you do buy I sincerely wish you best of luck and we all here will be extreamly disapointed if you dont ASAP after you get it post some target pics at least to 300yrds.
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Post by jeremylong on Apr 6, 2011 21:27:33 GMT -5
Yes and you can go buy a used $90 CVA from the pawnshop and kill a deer at 40 yards. Its all in how far you want to push it. The faster/farther you go the more expensive it gets.
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Post by cfvickers on Apr 9, 2011 10:06:59 GMT -5
Art, you think like I do. Don't know if its because I am cheap, or just broke. May be because I have an old 10ML in complete factory form that shoots under inch groups at 100. And it was a gift when it was 4 years old but new in the box.
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Post by artjr338wm on Apr 10, 2011 22:46:00 GMT -5
Jeremy, my intent was not to be insulting or narrow minded, just expressing my thoughts on the justification of a $2000-$3000 muzzleloder. I would never be so arrogant as to think it my rite to tell anyone what to do with their $$$.
I just have a difficult time convincing myself of #1-ANY rifle being worth $2000-$3000, let alone a muzzleloader, and #2-I have some idea just how hard it is be a proficiant enough a marksman to be able to shoot CONSISTANTLY to 500 yards at game with enough skill to be able to do so ethicly.
Just because a rifle is capable of shooting at ranges of 400 and 500 yards, in no way has anything to do with making the shooter capable of same, this truism is greatly magnified when the rifle in question is a muzzleloader IMHO.
I guess it comes down to a matter of finacial relavency. To myself who is a working man of slightly above average means, a muzzleloder costing $2200-$3000 is again IMHO compleately without justification as my 10ML-II will serve me as well out to 300yrds as any muzzleloader out there.
But on the other hand if my normal income was in the say $110-$120,000 per year range or almost $10,000 a month, then I can see where a person like myself might be more willing to spend over $2000 on a muzzleloader. I guess it all boils down to what you want VS what you can afford. I could afford a 10ML-II so I bought one.
I have no doubt DSS muzzleloaders are superbly well made muzzleloaders, just as a Ferrari is a superbly well made car, I simply can not again IMHO justify the cost of eithor when there are available to me dramticly more affordable alternatives that will do the same things 90-95%+ as well.
If marku does indeed buy a DSS I not only wish him all the luck in the world with it, I once again will be greately disapointed if he does not treat the members here to multiple reports of its performance, as I feel safe to say many members here besides myself would find range reports of this super muzzleloader's performance more than worth the time to read them. Especially if he can shoot it at 300,400, and especially 500 yards.
Just my .2c worth,
Arthur.
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Post by jeremylong on Apr 11, 2011 12:48:57 GMT -5
My only point is that MarkU is interested in the DSS site, well from previous things I knew it was Justin Mundens site. It just seems you guys are raining on MarkU's parade.
Maybe he can justify spending more money on a gun than you. Maybe not, either way with a little research I think a guy can tell there is probably a difference in results from a SMI vs Krieger put on and tuned by a 'smith. Now is it worth it is a different question. Everyone has a hobby. Lots of brand new fishing boats get sold every year for 20 to 30K. Heck these guns are only 10% of that. So to each his own.
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Post by jeremylong on Apr 11, 2011 13:05:01 GMT -5
Also, why shoot at 300 - 500? It is just exactly the same reason I shoot my bow at 60 yards. You learn allot and it makes me a better shot at 20yards when the deer steps out. Its that simple.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 19:21:26 GMT -5
Mark,
Rkrobson bought a custom gun from Justin he has been shooting the 325 parkers out to 600yds submoa I might add. If you can afford it pull the trigger at least you will have something at the end of the day instead of smoking it away,lol. This stuff is better than crack!!! I talked with Justin on the phone, we talked about different actions and he said that the best long range group was shot with an encore action which surprised me.
Check out rkrobson post his gun and groups have put a new light on long range mls.
Good luck,
Greenhorn
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Post by pposey on Apr 12, 2011 6:56:14 GMT -5
Sounds fun to me! Heck I will never end up with one but anything learned with bullets, powders and performance will carry over to everyone so go for it !
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Post by artjr338wm on Apr 13, 2011 10:51:14 GMT -5
Just for the sake of argument, does anyone know the bullet drop of a Parker 325 W/MV of 2600 at 500 or 600 yards? My best of the moment guess would be around 6 feet at 500yrds and at 600yds I would be inclined to guess around 10 feet.
Im guessing a BC of .3 or so.
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Post by jims on Apr 13, 2011 11:03:54 GMT -5
Deadeye might have a pretty good idea on that I suspect.
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Post by deadeye on Apr 13, 2011 12:08:11 GMT -5
Just for the sake of argument, does anyone know the bullet drop of a Parker 325 W/MV of 2600 at 500 or 600 yards? My best of the moment guess would be around 6 feet at 500yrds and at 600yds I would be inclined to guess around 10 feet. Im guessing a BC of .3 or so. actual field results with a sight height of 1.86'' @ a 4''high zero @ 204yds= mv 2626fps/325be**elevation 915 4 ft@ 500yds 7.5ft@600yds 10.3ft@665yds with the above info the true bc out to approx 450yds =.430 500yds=.420 600yds=.405 665yds=.395 bc |
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Post by marku on Apr 16, 2011 15:27:58 GMT -5
Wow just read all that went on.
First off im planing on buying one for a Encore. I also asked Justin about the accuracy of the Encore system vs a Model 700 cause most of the outstanding groups ive seen were shot from Remington based rifles. To my suprise like stated above the smallest group yet was shot with a encore which was 2.5" group at 500 yards.
At the end of this month im sending him the first installment for the barrel. I just bought a Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14 with target turrents and Z1000 recticle for it. Im also planing on getting a Ken Farrell 20 moa stell base and rings. Im only planing on shooting the 325gr Parker bullet as well. Kenton also makes a knob for the Zeiss that will be matched just for the load that Justin comes up with.
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Post by marku on Apr 16, 2011 15:32:17 GMT -5
Ive already got a Boyd wide muzzleloader forend and thumbhole stock for it as well. Really I wish some would think about this differently. I own a SMI barrel. Spent my 600.00 check ole G.W. Bush sent me years ago. Ive spent quite alot of money on top of that on powder and bullets tryng to find something that was realitivly fast but consistant and accurate. I have not been able to find a load yet. With Justin you get a barrel that guaranteed to shoot under 5" groups at 500 yards and will cut 1 hole groups hot or cold. In another word he takes the headache out of it.
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Post by deadeye on Apr 16, 2011 15:35:47 GMT -5
Ive already got a Boyd wide muzzleloader forend and thumbhole stock for it as well. Really I wish some would think about this differently. I own a SMI barrel. Spent my 600.00 check ole G.W. Bush sent me years ago. Ive spent quite alot of money on top of that on powder and bullets tryng to find something that was realitivly fast but consistant and accurate. I have not been able to find a load yet. With Justin you get a barrel that guaranteed to shoot under 5" groups at 500 yards and will cut 1 hole groups hot or cold. In another word he takes the headache out of it. look forward to your posted results! |
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Post by dave d. on Apr 16, 2011 20:12:21 GMT -5
:)mark a couple years ago I built a encore barrel with a pn 1" straight tube 24" in .45 with a 22 twist and it holds my personal best 3 shot 300 yrd group @ 1.305. The first 7 groups after site in were .5 moa all the way out to 300yrds. The encore frame has worked extremely well for me and to boot a nice 1.5 pd trigger. Goodluck with your dss I'm very confident you will love it.
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Post by jims on Apr 16, 2011 22:43:07 GMT -5
Dave: That was a shooter. I hope you did not let that barrel/combo leave. There have been some good ones over the years we all wish we had back.
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Post by dave d. on Apr 16, 2011 22:46:27 GMT -5
:)jim i was talked no beaten into selling it ;D ryan wore me down. it went to i good home. i do have another encore barrel that is very accurate also so everything is good...
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. So has anyone shot one before? Looks like a great barrel. Id love to get a barrel for sabotless shooting. Ive just about given up on shooting sabots infront of smokless powder 
