4227 in a 45 saboted

[olsmokey]

What happened to 4227? I see it is close to 5744 as far as burn rate goes. Why doesn't anyone use it in the 45? Is it harder to ignite? The reason I ask is I have a couple lbs. laying around and can't remember what I got it for. Thought this would be a good place to get rid of it if someone has a load they would share. Waiting for my H/R barrel back from slufoot and want to have some viles ready when it gets here. Don't have any 5744 but have 4198,4759,n-110 and 4227. Would like to stay with a single powder load under 200sst and blue Harv. Any suggestions? thanks Dave

[dannoboone]

Got a Colt .45? ;D If so, I have some loads for ya.

Seriously, I haven't used the stuff since the 2d time I had to push
it out due to it failing to ignite. That was long before knowing about
the need for a mag primer and a heavy bullet. The 200gr bullets in
a .45 might be heavy enough in that caliber for ignition of 4227, and
if your bore is as tight as mine, it might work. I would still use a
little N110 under it just to make sure, but that's coming from a
complete duplex nut.

[dave d.]

:)4227 is fairly fast in the .45 but works real good especially if you have a short barrel. I've shot up to 50grs and velocity I think was in the 2600+ range. I think edge estimated it for me but I don't remember what pressure it was at but I know it was more then my 4198 load because I started to get leakage in my cases. start low and work up and have fun burning it up.BTW there will be no ignition problems.

[olsmokey]

Funny you should mention colt 45 but the reason I have N-110 is for my colt 45. I found it to be a lot cleaner than other powders, especially H-110 that has to be the dirtiest powder I have ever used. The reason for a faster powder in this situation is because I only have a 20'' barrel to work with. I'm not against useing a duplex load if it gets good results. Danno, have you duplexed the 4227 to see how it shoots? If you have some good colt loads with 4227, Ill sure consider them since it's a lot cheaper than N-110. I'll use it for the colt and save the 110 for the muzzy. Can the 110 be used as a single powder in the 45?

[deadon]

Feb 2, 2011 19:13:02 GMT -5 olsmokey said:

Funny you should mention colt 45 but the reason I have N-110 is for my colt 45. I found it to be a lot cleaner than other powders, especially H-110 that has to be the dirtiest powder I have ever used. The reason for a faster powder in this situation is because I only have a 20'' barrel to work with. I'm not against useing a duplex load if it gets good results. Danno, have you duplexed the 4227 to see how it shoots? If you have some good colt loads with 4227, Ill sure consider them since it's a lot cheaper than N-110. I'll use it for the colt and save the 110 for the muzzy. Can the 110 be used as a single powder in the 45?

You have a colt 45 with a 20 inch barrel? Ned Butline is grinnin in his grave

[olsmokey]

Thanks Dave,was posting at the same time. So what would you recommend would be a good starting point? Not really concerned with speed as much as accuracy. Looking for a good 200 yd. load.

[dave d.]

:)start with 43grs and work up.if you have a chrony that would help alot.let me know what you get out of that 20" barrel.i had recommened it to pposey with his shortie but he never got around to trying it.im about to chop one of my muzzys down so ill be interested in your results.goodluck

[Jon]

Dave d. I just noticed you said you had leakage in the cases. Was this one of the b/p that used cases for the primer?
Jon

[dave d.]

:)Jon yes.

[pposey]

Yep I never got to it before I bulged shortie,,,, bummer

[dannoboone]

Feb 2, 2011 19:13:02 GMT -5 olsmokey said:

Funny you should mention colt 45 but the reason I have N-110 is for my colt 45. I found it to be a lot cleaner than other powders, especially H-110 that has to be the dirtiest powder I have ever used. I'm not against useing a duplex load if it gets good results. Danno, have you duplexed the 4227 to see how it shoots? If you have some good colt loads with 4227, Ill sure consider them since it's a lot cheaper than N-110. I'll use it for the colt and save the 110 for the muzzy.

No, Dave, I haven't used 4227 in my ML at all since the early
misfires. Looks like Dave D has had luck with it as a single
powder, though.

Just looked in my Hornady handbook. I have a Blackhawk, and
they have loads for it, as well as the TC Contender using 4227.
But it says the loads are too strong for any other revolver. The
lightest load they give is 23gr for a 1200fps load for Rugers
and Contenders only. Was mistaken they had loads for Colts,
S&W, etc. using 4227.

[moto357]

maybe i should have asked here before i tried it.. after doing some searching for load info i ran a few shots somewhere in the low or mid 30gr range. nothing great so i moved on. perhaps i never gave it a fair shake with such a light load! oh well...

[olsmokey]

Got my barrel back from slufoot yesterday, if the weather holds up till the wk end I plan on doing some testing with the 4227. I don't think I should have any ignition problems using Pete's plug. Thanks Robert you did an excellent job on the conversion. BTW the forearm fit perfect. Danno; I looked back in my notes and found I use the 4227 in my 44 Desert Eagle. Both my 45's are Blackhawks, so I might have to try it. It certainly is a lot cheaper then N-110 and easier to find. Is 4227 a clean powder?

[edge]

FYI, according to QL that 50 grain load with a 200 grain bullet should yield 2660 fps @ 39.5kpsi

edge.

[olsmokey]

Thanks edge, I think I'll start at about 45 and work up and see how the accuracy is. Maybe attempt an OCW if time permits.

[dannoboone]

IMR 4227 is certainly cleaner than 5744! It seems to burn clean
in the Ruger Blackhawk.