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Post by tar12 on Jan 27, 2011 14:10:23 GMT -5
I talked to Penny this am.They have no problem with a group buy BUT 1 person is going to have to handle everything.They had issues with group buys with individuals making last minute changes,late money,ect..so she stipulated that they all had to be all paid for up front at 1 time and there would be no changes allowed once the order was placed and that the barrels once completed would have to be shipped to one address and distributed from that point.Turn around time 10-11 weeks for non-fluted barrels.Fluting takes a additional 2 weeks.The following pricing is for stainless non-fluted barrels only in either the 700ML or Savage configuration.Their basic labor charge for fitting is $125 and of course that is not discounted.The basic barrel blank is $260.In the following numbers I have calculated the discount and totaled up minus the shipping costs which will run $12-$15.The shipping is only a estimate and I estimated a little high.
1-4-NET-NO DISCOUNT-$385 plus
5-10-10% off-$359 plus
11-15-15% off-$346 plus
16 barrels plus-20% off-$334 plus
Now who wants to ramrod this? ;D
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Post by Richard on Jan 27, 2011 14:51:34 GMT -5
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Post by Jon on Jan 27, 2011 15:06:09 GMT -5
Richard well put. And add in some people are going to have special requests. There may already be some skimed of the top. Lets face it they are in busines to make money and be glad for it how many business have gone away.
Jon
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Post by tar12 on Jan 27, 2011 15:38:18 GMT -5
Jon-what do you mean by already skimmed off of the top?
Everyone would have to fill out their own spec sheet per website. If you do not know how or what to order you should not order! Dealing with any issues would be the same as a individual buy.Why would it be any different with a group buy? I can ask about the shipping to be reconsidered.
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Post by tar12 on Jan 27, 2011 15:51:23 GMT -5
Shipping on the barrels worked out to $12.40 a piece-looking at about $25 bucks both ways.They would not reconsider the shipping arrangement.So it is hardly worth it unless you are buying them all yourself.... ;D It was worth a try...
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Post by jims on Jan 27, 2011 17:09:50 GMT -5
Tar12 Thanks for making the effort. One does not know until one tries and you did.
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Post by onecardchuck on Jan 27, 2011 17:12:12 GMT -5
Thanks for trying tar12, and for getting an update out so quick.
It sounded like a great idea but I kinda figured it would be tough to accomplish.
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Post by alphaburnt on Jan 27, 2011 17:13:28 GMT -5
Wow, seems like you would be better off with the Savage-barrels McGowen conversion at those "reduced" prices
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Post by Jon on Jan 27, 2011 17:45:39 GMT -5
Tar sorry I worded that wrong. What I meant was they can now make one shipment and be prepaid etc. I really appreciate the attemp and a great idea. I just wonder how another co. can sell what is suposed to be a equilvent barrel at close th half the price. Don't missunderstand I've been very happy with my Pac-nor barrels.
Jon
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Post by dannoboone on Jan 27, 2011 19:08:36 GMT -5
Does anyone really know yet how the Savage Barrels (McGowen)
will shoot? I'm crossing my fingers, and hoping they will shoot at
least MOA. My PN has shot half what I'm hoping the McGowen will
shoot.
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Post by Jon on Jan 27, 2011 19:13:04 GMT -5
Dannoboone. I'm looking forwards to your hopefully happy findings.
Jon
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Post by tar12 on Jan 27, 2011 21:59:18 GMT -5
Dannoboone. I'm looking forwards to your hopefully happy findings. Jon Me to! I think Alpha was on the fence about one. It would be nice to have a much cheaper alternative. Danno..you got one ordered? If so how soon will we know the results? ;D |
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Post by boarhog on Jan 27, 2011 22:57:09 GMT -5
If we could gather up a 16 barrel order, and get 20% off, each barrel would still have a little discount after the S&H to a central location and the S&H out to each buyer. And that's considering the lucky central guy would be happy to scrounge up boxes, packing, label, and effort to re-ship for the fun of it. Less than 16, and the savings wouldn't be worth messing with.
I haven't heard anything about these Savage McGowan barrels. What's the story there?
Boarhog
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Post by tar12 on Jan 27, 2011 23:18:18 GMT -5
If we could gather up a 16 barrel order, and get 20% off, each barrel would still have a little discount after the S&H to a central location and the S&H out to each buyer. And that's considering the lucky central guy would be happy to scrounge up boxes, packing, label, and effort to re-ship for the fun of it. Less than 16, and the savings wouldn't be worth messing with. I haven't heard anything about these Savage McGowan barrels. What's the story there? Boarhog Here you go... savage-barrels.com/contact.htm |
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Post by alphaburnt on Jan 27, 2011 23:52:58 GMT -5
Yea, I was on the fence but considering the money involved and you will still be getting a hand lapped quality barrel from McGowen with Savage-barrels doing the machine work for about $100 less and turn around time is quicker too, I'm not riding the fence anymore...was getting sore anywho! My next dilemma is whether to go with 1:22 6 groove or 1:18 8 groove.
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Post by craigf on Jan 28, 2011 0:00:55 GMT -5
That is not a bad price at all!
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Post by tar12 on Jan 28, 2011 0:28:31 GMT -5
Yea, I was on the fence but considering the money involved and you will still be getting a hand lapped quality barrel from McGowen with Savage-barrels doing the machine work for about $100 less and turn around time is quicker too, I'm not riding the fence anymore...was getting sore anywho! My next dilemma is whether to go with 1:22 6 groove or 1:18 8 groove. The 1:22 has proven its self beyond doubt... |
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 28, 2011 13:44:48 GMT -5
I looked around the savagebarrels site a bit. I didnt see anything about smokeless mzl barrels.... Not saying it isnt there just that I didnt see it. It will be interesting to see how this works out. For me the savings of going with an "unknown" isnt worth the risk. With my Pac-Nor's the data is readily available for anything I want to shoot. Its a wait and see thing for me. Drop
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Post by Richard on Jan 28, 2011 20:58:52 GMT -5
The last I heard, Billy Zink told me he would be a guinea pig and try one if I felt they were a good deal? He wanted me to call and talk to the guys there and see what I thought? So, I did call and it seemed like they would be worth taking a chance on. They did say that they would need a barrel and breech plug to get the spec's right. As far as I know, Billy was going to go for it? He has not told me any different. I have one of his Savages now waiting for a Pac-Nor but he has another that he wanted to try the McGowan. Maybe he will read this and respond.
Richard
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Post by craigf on Jan 28, 2011 22:26:27 GMT -5
Richard,
What is McGowan's reputation in the center fire community lately? I figure that you still are involved in it.
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Post by billyzink on Jan 28, 2011 22:31:22 GMT -5
The last I heard, Billy Zink told me he would be a guinea pig and try one if I felt they were a good deal? He wanted me to call and talk to the guys there and see what I thought? So, I did call and it seemed like they would be worth taking a chance on. They did say that they would need a barrel and breech plug to get the spec's right. As far as I know, Billy was going to go for it? He has not told me any different. I have one of his Savages now waiting for a Pac-Nor but he has another that he wanted to try the McGowan. Maybe he will read this and respond. Richard That is still my plan!! Have not got it done yet!! |
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Post by Richard on Jan 29, 2011 21:25:26 GMT -5
Craig.............McGowan has been around for quite a while. I have not heard much of them lately? Krieger, and Bartlein are about at the top of the list in both long range and short range benchrest. I just looked over some the match reports in the latest issue of Precision shooting and I would say Krieger has captured about 60% of the market........Bartlein 25% and the other 15% is divided amongst the rest of the custom barrel makers. McGowan really does not show up at all. They are probably more used in general gunsmithing for replacement hunting barrels. Benchrest shooters are a "pretty picky" bunch! ;D As good as our Pac-Nors shoot for our discipline, they rarely show up on the benchrest circuit  You have to understand also that there is that "copy-cat" mentality out there also.............Shooter A sets a record or wins a big match with a Krieger...............then shooters B to Z all have to have one also ;D..............It used to be Shilen,,,,,,,,Then Hart..............then Lilja and on and on! Just let someone get luck and win a big match or set a record with a Pac-Nor and watch how many start showing up at matches. Richard |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2011 21:55:37 GMT -5
I would venture to say that McGowan is probably on par with pacnor quality wise, I might just have to find out in the near future. planning a couple of 700 ml builds, one for the son with a knox camo axiom stock ( for adjustability sake for a growing boy) and probably tan cerakote on a fluted tube. the other will be for a friend that wants to get into the smokeless game...Bill
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Post by onecardchuck on Jan 31, 2011 22:39:45 GMT -5
I just ordered my Pacnor today and here is why I choose that route after talking to Dave D.
1) Dave put a lot of time and effort into getting Pacnor to this when no one else would, and Pacnor worked with him to make a great setup. We all owe Dave and Pacnor a lot and I would not want to risk loosing this relationship.
2) Pacnor stands behind every barrel they make including these one off Muzzleloader barrels. Dave has steered them a lot of business, but we are a small amount of the work they do hence the 8 to 10 week lead time. If my barrel comes in from Pacnor and is not a shooter and I have exhausted every possible avenue guess what they will make me a new one free of charge. Can you get that from this other barrel maker?
3) I would rather go with the barrel maker with a longer lead time because he is the guy who is making barrels more barrels everyday and is probably the better of the barrel makers.
3) Look at the results these Pacnor barrels give.
A 100 to 150 dollar saving doesn't sound so good when you put it into perspective does it.
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Post by Jon on Jan 31, 2011 23:04:46 GMT -5
Chuck. Well put
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Post by alphaburnt on Feb 1, 2011 0:26:41 GMT -5
True, but money talks and so does wait time.
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Post by Jon on Feb 1, 2011 0:35:52 GMT -5
So does quality and customer service. I really do not have a horse in this race since all I ever used is Pac-Nor but I've been very happy with the quality attention to detail and customer service.
Jon
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Post by alphaburnt on Feb 1, 2011 0:51:13 GMT -5
true. I have never used either, due to funds, I will probably have no option but to do the cheaper build.
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Post by olegburn on Feb 1, 2011 8:26:10 GMT -5
Free market will decide what is what and what is not.
DaveD made a lot of effort and hats are off to him,but like someone mentioned: Money talks.
I gain and lose customers in plumbing all the time.
When loyal customer finds another plumber who is 25% less at the same quality-I won't shed a tear,it's their money.But I will thank them for business anyway.They may come back. ;D
This looks like good old capitalism.
Maybe DaveD will comment on this.
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Post by dans on Feb 1, 2011 9:00:35 GMT -5
I have a Pac Nor 45 smokeless barrel that shoots 1 inch at 200 yards. I also have a McGowen barrel chambered for the .358 BFG that shoots 2 inches at 200 yards. My sons have 2 other 358 BFGs that both shoot 1 inch at 200 yards. I can't speak for their smokeless muzzleloading barrels but the three cartridge barrels are very good.
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