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8 Pointer
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Post by guppy on Feb 1, 2011 10:04:35 GMT -5
I know its really not a question of money for me, but , I wanted to see what the McGowan will do. I went with 1-22" 6 grove, just contoured and threaded for 195 to my door. I will put a plug in it and crown it also. If it works I will be happy., if not, oh well. I plan on sabotless and will definitely let everybody know what shakes out. Thanks to everyone on here that has shared their knowledge about builds. I'm all in on this game now and having a blast getting people I know into it as well. Keep up the great discussions, and don't ever quit 'tinkering'.
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Post by onecardchuck on Feb 1, 2011 11:17:37 GMT -5
I agree competition is a good thing, but my point earlier is that we are not even close to Pacnor's main source of income. So I doubt highly they will come down in price.
My fear is that if the number of orders drops for these barrels that they will then drop making them all together. Then you will be right back where we were one manufacturer controlling the prices.
I just wanted to share with everyone things that helped me make my choice. If curiosity or price point are a big factor then perhaps the savage-barrels.com are right for that individual.
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Post by tar12 on Feb 1, 2011 11:50:48 GMT -5
Onecard, To set up to machine for a breech plug is child's play for these people. If orders fall off they will not quit making them.Many of these barrel people have extensive data bases for obsolete calibers and wildcat offerings.The .45 blank is a standard and is not going anywhere.When Harry McGowan was here is St. Anne he would make you whatever you wanted and it might be the only one made that year.It mattered not. I believe your fears are unfounded. I am all for another cheaper option because I plan on a couple more builds which really adds up. I am calling John at Savage Barrels right now and ask him point blank if they stand behind their product. I see no reason as to why not.I am sure their policy is no different than Pac-Nor. If you bulge a barrel then its your baby!
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Post by smokeless77 on Feb 1, 2011 12:25:55 GMT -5
If Pacnor decided to pull the plug on the M/L barrels, Which I highly doubt. The way I look at it, It would be their loss and another manufactures gain. There is a lot of barrel makers out there that are willing to do the job.
John
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Post by rangeball on Feb 1, 2011 13:26:34 GMT -5
How does SMI fit in with regard to pricing? I think pretty much in line with pacnor.
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Post by rangeball on Feb 1, 2011 13:46:00 GMT -5
They do great work and douglas makes a very nice barrel.
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Post by tar12 on Feb 1, 2011 16:09:00 GMT -5
I made the phone call to Savage Barrels and spoke to John and he assured me that they stand behind their work 100% and in the unlikely event that there was a problem it is returned on their dime. He is also going to approach McGowan about a 8-land/1-22 twist offering. I asked John to join the board for a question and answer session and he agreed to do so.I do not see a problem at all with these people and look forwards to doing business with them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2011 16:27:13 GMT -5
sounds interesting to me, if quality is good then competition will be too....Bill
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Post by dannoboone on Feb 1, 2011 18:56:53 GMT -5
Dannoboone. I'm looking forwards to your hopefully happy findings. Jon Me to! I think Alpha was on the fence about one. It would be nice to have a much cheaper alternative. Danno..you got one ordered? If so how soon will we know the results? ;D It's been ordered since the first week in January. Dan Wynn gave me a waiting period of 6 weeks, but also said it may be sooner. It's a 1:18, 8 groove. Thought it would give more support than a 6 groove in the 1:22 for sabots. Indexing will be better, too. I don't plan to shoot sabotless. My order went to McGowen rather than Savage Barrels......$20 more, but thought I might have more hands on when communicating directly with McGowen. Mistake or not, only time will tell. I'm hoping to be able to shoot groups in March. This project is not meant to thumb my nose at Dave D or PacNor. Thanks to Dave, I have PN's barrel on my 10MLII, and I'll never let go of it. The thing is more accurate than a couple of my CF's, and I'm a stickler for accuracy. I'll always be grateful to both Dave and PacNor for helping my Savage become what it is today. My particular project is being put together to show others that one can do a custom ML job themselves from scratch at a price comparable to the MSRP of the last 10MLII's built. And hopefully, a more accurate rifle at that. I hear where onecardchuck is coming from, but not everyone can afford a barrel that's more expensive than many ML's. Good luck to all in all these fun projects.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Feb 1, 2011 21:30:19 GMT -5
True, but money talks and so does wait time. Yes those two items do talk.... Butthey dont speak with near as much authority as a bug-hole target....Unless you get a crappy shooter then there is a lot of noise.... I agree about DD and pacnor filling our need's. For me.... well maybe I am a creature of habit? I dont want to try and fix something that isnt broken for me. Cost is a factor...I work for all my dollars and try to spend them wisely. . My PacNor shoots so dern good I dont want to chance another brand for that small of a saving's. But to each his own Drop
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Post by alphaburnt on Feb 2, 2011 12:15:51 GMT -5
Yep, I do not expect to see any posts about these if they are not shooters. I havent seen too many targets with Pacnors that I would consider "bughole" (excluding some of Richards and co)_. Post em up if you gottem.
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Post by dannoboone on Feb 2, 2011 13:54:35 GMT -5
Yep, I do not expect to see any posts about these if they are not shooters. Yes, you will......good or bad. People deserve to know.
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Post by moto357 on Feb 2, 2011 14:44:49 GMT -5
i might be off here, but just my opinion. if a barrel maker keeps their barrel within say .0005 for an example from end to end would measure up to a .167% variance. same variation in a .45 barrel is now only .111%. not a huge difference, but still an improvement nonetheless. as far as im concerened it easier to get a shooter out of a 45 than a small bore, just a matter of finding what the specific barrel likes to be fed. as long as all other work is satasfactory i think these barrels will shoot plenty good enough for any of us.
not to mention shooting sabots i think gives a little cushion as i've seen in my other factory ML barrels. any of my ML's that shoot conicals well i'm assured will shoot a sabot exceptionally well
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Post by jims on Feb 2, 2011 16:31:31 GMT -5
I have been on other sites where the McGowens were purchased by center fire users and by far the most part they were satisfied customers. Hopefully that would carry over with the MZ.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Feb 2, 2011 17:41:34 GMT -5
Yep, I do not expect to see any posts about these if they are not shooters. I havent seen too many targets with Pacnors that I would consider "bughole" (excluding some of Richards and co)_. Post em up if you gottem. Nope no bughole's in my arsenal. Quite likely thats because of my error more than the barrel's fault But I do have some 1.25 from 200 yds...Hey do us a favor..Drop the coin make a choice ...pull the trigge,r build one and tell us how it works out. Hopefully yours will work out for you as well as mine did for me. Drop
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Post by alphaburnt on Feb 3, 2011 4:19:35 GMT -5
Waiting to see if they will do a 8 land 1:22 twist, letcha know
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