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Post by johnp034 on Jan 23, 2011 3:04:07 GMT -5
Got to shoot the Encore .45-70 conv. today. Very impressive, for being so light, not much recoil. Fired a few rounds with 44 gr. of 5744, Hornady 200 gr. SST's, got it on paper, but didn't have time to do any serious groupings. We'll try it again today. Anyone have any pet loads for the .45?
Thank you Slufoot, loving it so far!
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Post by Al on Jan 23, 2011 4:43:06 GMT -5
52gr of H4198 and work up as needed.
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Post by johnp034 on Jan 23, 2011 6:50:11 GMT -5
Thanks Al, we'll try it today.
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Post by tar12 on Jan 23, 2011 8:16:59 GMT -5
60-62 grns of either N120 or H4198.
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Post by pposey on Jan 23, 2011 9:48:41 GMT -5
58 grains H4198 and a 200 XTP not SST is shooting great in my encore conversion
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Post by pposey on Jan 23, 2011 9:49:06 GMT -5
and getting 2660fps
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Post by Dave W on Jan 23, 2011 9:53:46 GMT -5
10/49.5 N110/H322
12/48 N110/2015
Both approximately 2700fps with a BH and knurled 195BX.
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Post by johnp034 on Jan 23, 2011 12:03:27 GMT -5
Super, thanks guys, going out to try it now.
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Post by johnp034 on Jan 23, 2011 15:22:27 GMT -5
pposey, what sabots are you using with the Hornady SST's? I tried some today with the sabots that come with the SST's, started with 35 grs. of 5744, worked up to 44 grs, no good. No grouping whatsoever. Any suggestions?
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Post by bteague on Jan 23, 2011 15:27:08 GMT -5
john try smooth blue harvester and a knurled bullet.Billy
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Post by Slufoot on Jan 23, 2011 16:22:18 GMT -5
bteague is right, get some smooth blue harvester sabots, (part # H4540B). I have never had any luck with the Hornady SST supplied sabots.
Also try some 10mm 200gr Hornady XTP bullets in the Harvester sabots.
GOOD SHOOTING!
Slufoot
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Post by pposey on Jan 23, 2011 18:12:34 GMT -5
I'm sorry I'm shooting the XTP not the sst and slightly knurling them in a Harv smooth blue
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Post by Chris Champion on Jan 24, 2011 9:14:06 GMT -5
63g H4198...2750 fps with 200g bullets in harvester blue sabot
15/55 N110/H322...2900 fps with same as above...even in 10-20F temps
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Post by johnp034 on Jan 24, 2011 12:50:32 GMT -5
Does anyone shoot N110 as their main load? I heard it is hard to come by, and I have access to some. Just wondering if its worth the effort.
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Post by Savage Shooter on Jan 24, 2011 12:57:02 GMT -5
Does anyone shoot N110 as their main load? I heard it is hard to come by, and I have access to some. Just wondering if its worth the effort. Everyone who shoots smokeless ML's should have N110 on hand always (but can't get 4198 speeds as single in .45).....its versatility for load development is probably top of them all. Can do a lot of different things,,,,,,no doubt it can be used as single in either .45 or .50 but by using it as booster sky is about the limit for developing duplexes, and fast accurate ones at that. |
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Post by rangeball on Jan 24, 2011 13:15:45 GMT -5
Everyone who shoots smokeless ML's should have N110 on hand always (but can't get 4198 speeds as single in .45).....its versatility for load development is probably top of them all. Unless I misunderstood, didn't Richard get more fps with N110 as a single versus H4198 as a single in the .45? |
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Post by Savage Shooter on Jan 24, 2011 13:50:31 GMT -5
No, for a .45 that was N120.
.45 load with N120 at 72gr is listed at 2900fps (too hot IMO).
.45 load with 4198 @ 62gr is good for at least 2600.
Just remember that his barrel is shorter I believe, longer barrels more speed.
I did not see a N110 single load listed for the .45
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Post by rangeball on Jan 24, 2011 13:53:48 GMT -5
No, for a .45 that was N120. .45 load with N120 at 72gr is listed at 2900fps (too hot IMO). .45 load with 4198 @ 62gr is good for at least 2600. Just remember that his barrel is shorter I believe, longer barrels more speed. I did not see a N110 single load listed for the .45 In his pressure test data, he shot 50gr of N110 with a saboted .40 xtp, around 2800 fps and 55gr with the same saboted bullet got 2900+fps. dougsmessageboards.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=smokeless&action=display&thread=7316 |
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Post by Savage Shooter on Jan 24, 2011 14:10:38 GMT -5
No, for a .45 that was N120. .45 load with N120 at 72gr is listed at 2900fps (too hot IMO). .45 load with 4198 @ 62gr is good for at least 2600. Just remember that his barrel is shorter I believe, longer barrels more speed. I did not see a N110 single load listed for the .45 In his pressure test data, he shot 50gr of N110 with a saboted .40 xtp, around 2800 fps and 55gr with the same saboted bullet got 2900+fps. dougsmessageboards.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=smokeless&action=display&thread=7316Yes I just now looked at the PT. While getting good speeds that sharp of a pressure curve will probably test sabot strength. |
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Post by rangeball on Jan 24, 2011 15:20:26 GMT -5
That was my immediate thought as well, but I do plan to see if I can duplicate his efforts when my .45 is done. From what I understand, even at 50gr of N110 the speed is beating the H4198 at 62gr that many seem to report is the max for sabot disruption.
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Post by Chris Champion on Jan 24, 2011 18:30:57 GMT -5
I've bumped H4198 up to 64g in cool (sub 50F) weather and shot right at 2800 fps. Sabots are starting to look stressed at this point but accuracy was still good. I think if one is wanting to go much faster than that, then duplex is the way to go. Lower pressure and easier on sabots in the limited testing I've done on loads in the 2800+ fps range.
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Post by rybo74 on Jan 24, 2011 20:13:12 GMT -5
What type of barrel are you using for this conversion. I have a friend that is interested but not sure I like the TC sporter 24 inch barrel.
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Post by johnp034 on Jan 24, 2011 21:18:24 GMT -5
Mine is the T/C Encore 45-70 24" blue barrel. Slufoot did the conversion with a Savage BP & VL. Really like the light weight, waiting for the proper components to get it zeroed.
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Post by ramrodman on Jan 25, 2011 13:13:59 GMT -5
slufoot
Can you email me your phone number mine is 757 642 8391 the ramrodman on the board about a 45/70 h&r con t/y Mac
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Post by Slufoot on Jan 25, 2011 19:17:17 GMT -5
slufoot Can you email me your phone number mine is 757 642 8391 the ramrodman on the board about a 45/70 h&r con t/y Mac Hey ramrodman, I enjoyed our conversation on the phone. I have sent you a PM. GOOD SHOOTING! Slufoot |
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Post by Jon on Jan 25, 2011 19:25:13 GMT -5
Mac. I was just talking to Pete to day and he was wondering as I was We haven't from you in a while. I'm glad to see it seems everything is ok I'll let him know tomorrow.
Jon
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