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Post by olsmokey on Dec 25, 2010 23:17:38 GMT -5
WOWZER thats some good shootin! I'll be getting hold of you soon. Merry Christmas Dave
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Post by joe21a on Dec 27, 2010 10:08:56 GMT -5
Slurfoot: Do you have any idea of the inside dia. of the Handi-rifle barrel , in the reloading books it shows a .458 bullet. How easy or hard do the .452 bullets load , what sabot are you using with 200 gr bullet and can it be shot sabotless with out a lot of knurling? Do you cut the threads with a lathe or a thread tap?
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Post by Slufoot on Dec 27, 2010 19:50:00 GMT -5
Hello Joe, I only shoot sabots in my conversion. I have had good accuracy with Harvestor smooth blue sabots and the brown Knight sabots.
Once I set the barrel up in my lathe it doesn't come out intil it's finished. I ordered a taper and bottom tap just to use for the Savage plugs and use the live center in the tailstock to start the taper tap in proper alignment with the bore. I keep the live center in the tap until I have reached the proper depth for the threads.
GOOD SHOOTING!
Slufoot
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Post by joe21a on Dec 28, 2010 8:40:25 GMT -5
How much pressure to seat the bullet in a sabot? Will a .452 dia bullet just fall down barrel to breach plug? I have a Pacnor that has a very loose bore, .452 bullets just fall down to the plug, I don't want another with that loose a bore.
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Post by edge on Dec 28, 2010 8:57:02 GMT -5
How much pressure to seat the bullet in a sabot? Will a .452 dia bullet just fall down barrel to breach plug? I have a Pacnor that has a very loose bore, .452 bullets just fall down to the plug, I don't want another with that loose a bore. Wouldn't that be ideal for a knurled bullet? No sizing, just a knurl it would seem to be almost ideal...no? edge. |
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Post by joe21a on Dec 28, 2010 9:31:25 GMT -5
This one is real loose. A .454 dia bullet with just the weight of the ramrod will slide down the bore. Therefore I need some were between a .454 to a .455 dia. I have had a problem keeping the knurling consistent and thus not the best target groups.
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Post by Slufoot on Dec 28, 2010 20:59:44 GMT -5
How much pressure to seat the bullet in a sabot? Will a .452 dia bullet just fall down barrel to breach plug? I have a Pacnor that has a very loose bore, .452 bullets just fall down to the plug, I don't want another with that loose a bore. Hey Joe, I checked my barrel and a .451" bullet will go through the barrel but a .452" will not. Remember this is just my barrel, 1 out of several thousand barrels, I don't know if mine may be on the tight or loose side of H&R's tolerance? Hope this helps! GOOD SHOOTING! Slufoot |
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Post by joe21a on Dec 29, 2010 9:30:42 GMT -5
Thanks
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Post by dcon on Dec 29, 2010 10:06:20 GMT -5
Question-could a person skip having the breech plug fitted and just use a prime 45/70 case and load everything else from the muzzle? Pros and cons of doing so???
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Post by joe21a on Dec 29, 2010 10:42:22 GMT -5
Most rifle are considered a ml if they have a fixed breach plug and are loaded from the barrel(front). The use of a 45-70 cartg. would most likely make it a center fire rifle in legal terms. You may also run into problems if your powder did not fill the 45-70 case and you could not seat the bullet .
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Post by Savage Shooter on Dec 29, 2010 10:43:16 GMT -5
The "Ultra" 45/70 looks like a prime candidate for conversion, heavier barrel @ 24", thumbhole laminated stock, stainless, no sights. Would make great .45 ML. Only problem there are none to be had at the moment but should be available again. www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Rifles/hunter.asp |
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Post by edge on Dec 29, 2010 14:25:47 GMT -5
How long is the 3/8 hex on the Savage plug? I don't suppose you have a picture you could post  edge. |
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Post by rjhans53 on Dec 29, 2010 17:27:44 GMT -5
dcon, been there done that sort of to test whether or not a 200 g in a sabot would shoot decent. It does work, just not very well and the legalities would be interesting to say the least. However I think edge and a couple of other's messed with making a slip in breech plug, there was some concern of the plug not expanding and help with grabbing the sides and all the backward thurst of the case on the face of the (aw heck it would be bolt face on a bolt gun) area that the case sits against in the closed position.
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Post by dcon on Dec 30, 2010 7:59:01 GMT -5
RJ,thanks for the reply. I would think the face of the Encore action would be more than adequate to handle most smokeless loads if they can handle .416 full power loads and some of the calibers that bulbary chambers for.
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Post by Slufoot on Dec 30, 2010 9:00:46 GMT -5
Question-could a person skip having the breech plug fitted and just use a prime 45/70 case and load everything else from the muzzle? Pros and cons of doing so??? Hello dcon, As joe21a metioned, this really limits your powder choices because you need to fill the case before seating a bullet. I'd hate to run into the Warden while using it like that during ML season! GOOD SHOOTING! Slufoot |
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Post by Slufoot on Dec 30, 2010 9:05:42 GMT -5
The "Ultra" 45/70 looks like a prime candidate for conversion, heavier barrel @ 24", thumbhole laminated stock, stainless, no sights. Would make great .45 ML. Only problem there are none to be had at the moment but should be available again. www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Rifles/hunter.aspHey Savage Shooter, You are absolutely right, the "Ultra" would make an awsome looking Handi conversion. GOOD SHOOTING! Slufoot |
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Post by Slufoot on Dec 30, 2010 9:10:54 GMT -5
How long is the 3/8 hex on the Savage plug? I don't suppose you have a picture you could post edge. Hey edge, my Savage and my Handi conversion both use the old style Savage plug. I gave dad's to him for Christmas, when we get a chance to shoot together I'll try to remeber to get a pic of the new plug. GOOD SHOOTING! Slufoot |
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Post by dcon on Dec 30, 2010 11:03:08 GMT -5
Ok, another question. How much m.v. would be lost with a 20" barrel?
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Post by Slufoot on Dec 30, 2010 11:59:56 GMT -5
Ok, another question. How much m.v. would be lost with a 20" barrel? Hello dcon, the standard barrel length on a 45-70 Handi-Rifle is 22". The Ultra comes with a 24" barrel and the Buffalo Classic comes with a 32" barrel. My load that I used this year pushes the 200 grain SST to 2400 fps. This load shot great and hammered deer so I haven't tried to push it any harder. If I remember correctly, Richard had a Pacnor 45 caliber barrel that was only 21" long and he got some really fast speeds out of it. GOOD SHOOTING! Slufoot |
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Post by gunny on Dec 30, 2010 15:35:33 GMT -5
Was down in Bartonville ILL at Presley's Outdoors and looked at a 45-70 Handi for 260.00 . Light gun owner says they use them alot for pig hunting in the south. How would you compare the recoil? The idea of converting one to smokeless muzzleloader is very appealing.! gunny
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Post by Slufoot on Dec 30, 2010 19:55:50 GMT -5
Was down in Bartonville ILL at Presley's Outdoors and looked at a 45-70 Handi for 260.00 . Light gun owner says they use them alot for pig hunting in the south. How would you compare the recoil? The idea of converting one to smokeless muzzleloader is very appealing.! gunny Hey gunny,I have shot 300 grain bullets from a 45-70 @ 2250 fps and 405 grainers @ 1750. To me, the 200 grain bullet out of the sabot from the Handi ML conversion is alot less recoil than the 45-70 loads i just mentioned. To me the recoil from my loads is somewhere between a 20 and 12 gauge shotgun. Recoil is a very subjective thing, each person handles it a little differently. I don't think my Handi conversion kicks as bad as my stock Savage 10ML-II. GOOD SHOOTING! Slufoot |
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Post by cnymuzguy on Jan 18, 2011 21:16:11 GMT -5
Question about Handi conversions. Is there any problems with blow by getting on the scope, or does the barrel/receiver seal pretty well?
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Post by Slufoot on Jan 18, 2011 21:40:50 GMT -5
Question about Handi conversions. Is there any problems with blow by getting on the scope, or does the barrel/receiver seal pretty well? The way I do these conversions and headspace the 209 primer everything is sealed up really good. You won't have to worry about blow by. GOOD SHOOTING! Slufoot |
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Post by johnp034 on Jan 19, 2011 4:52:40 GMT -5
Slufoot, I am anxiously awaiting my conversion. I"ll shoot it this weekend and call you with what I'm sure will be satisfactory results. Next barrel I send you will be a stainless, waiting for it to arrive. I have the BP already.
Thanks again,
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2011 8:49:46 GMT -5
Impressive "range" results you can say you shot a groundhog group at 250 yds. with no argument WAY TO GO !!! By building your conversion you found another way of skinning the smokeless cat.
Allan
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2011 9:07:34 GMT -5
slufoot,
I found that ruger makes a fine 45-70. How do you think your conversion would do on one of them?
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Post by pposey on Jan 19, 2011 9:30:28 GMT -5
Ruger #1 would be nice,,,, somebody already has one can't remember who
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Post by edge on Jan 19, 2011 10:09:19 GMT -5
At the very least, DW, KerryB and savagebrother had/have one.
IIRC at least one was a 1:14 twist and the others may have been 1:20 or 1:22
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Post by Dave W on Jan 19, 2011 14:41:11 GMT -5
At the very least, DW, KerryB and savagebrother had/have one. IIRC at least one was a 1:14 twist and the others may have been 1:20 or 1:22 edge. Ours are/were Ruger #1's. Dave D went with a .458 14 twist Shilen, KB and I went with .457 20 twist Shilens |
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Post by rangeball on Jan 19, 2011 14:53:01 GMT -5
At the very least, DW, KerryB and savagebrother had/have one. IIRC at least one was a 1:14 twist and the others may have been 1:20 or 1:22 edge. Ours are/were Ruger #1's. Dave D went with a .458 14 twist Shilen, KB and I went with .457 20 twist Shilens Please, please don't post pics of them again. Every time you do the wheels start turning and the wallet starts crying... beautiful guns for sure |
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