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Post by bigmoose on Dec 3, 2010 19:33:50 GMT -5
174.3
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Post by pposey on Dec 3, 2010 22:20:31 GMT -5
what load did you shoot it with???
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Post by tar12 on Dec 4, 2010 6:37:58 GMT -5
Posey I believe he said he was going with 63 grns of H-4198.
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Post by bigmoose on Dec 4, 2010 8:30:07 GMT -5
Rick { Tar12}
I used 64grs H4198, Amazing but your bullet out penetrated the Barnes 290 TMZ by 1/2 to 7/8" However, the 290 held its weight better, the most weight lose was 1.3grs and in some tests it had zero lose. If I ever shot a Deer sized animal again I would use the 195gr Barnes Thanks again, for your gift of the bullets Marty
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Post by bigmoose on Dec 4, 2010 11:11:59 GMT -5
Test bullets and bullets used to take Alaskan Meece ;D
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Post by zakjak221 on Dec 4, 2010 14:06:45 GMT -5
Nice wt. retention there! Tuff bullets for dem meece's.
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Post by bigmoose on Dec 4, 2010 16:32:13 GMT -5
The last time I got delivery of my Moose horns, my wife said there plenty of room in the garage for you and the d**n Meece horns. While I out weigh her by 100 pounds, I'm tremble when she speaks.
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Post by tar12 on Dec 4, 2010 16:49:57 GMT -5
Rick { Tar12} I used 64grs H4198, Amazing but your bullet out penetrated the Barnes 290 TMZ by 1/2 to 7/8" However, the 290 held its weight better, the most weight lose was 1.3grs and in some tests it had zero lose. If I ever shot a Deer sized animal again I would use the 195gr Barnes Thanks again, for your gift of the bullets Marty No problem as I was interested in how well they would perform in your penetration test. I suspected that they would give a good showing.It is real hard to blow up a all copper bullet!
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Post by Richard on Dec 4, 2010 16:55:58 GMT -5
Nice test Marty! Dem's good bullets Richard
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Post by bigmoose on Dec 4, 2010 17:15:02 GMT -5
Richard, Thanks to Tar12 I found out about what is a new bullet for me, likewise when Smoke sent me Nosler bullets, the patition is a bullet I would use against any No. American game. If a gent hangs out on this site there is no end to what he can learn. Marty
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Post by pposey on Dec 4, 2010 19:32:55 GMT -5
How many of them Meece have you shot?
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Post by bigmoose on Dec 4, 2010 19:48:05 GMT -5
4
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Post by pposey on Dec 5, 2010 8:58:41 GMT -5
Dats alot of Meece,,,,,,,,
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Post by edge on Dec 5, 2010 10:02:34 GMT -5
bigmeece If you show your test medium and the bullets with a little explanation I'll add the post the the tips section with the other bullet testing . edge.
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Post by bigmoose on Dec 5, 2010 10:14:17 GMT -5
Sir Edge
I posted picture of the block,[not re-usable] several times
But will again, I have the bullets Ive run thru the tests.
As I have noted, several folks [bullet] makers have said my tests are worthless since animals and not made of my test medium. I disagree If a bullet breaks up in my test, it will do the same on a large bone, as I reported I had a TC bonded 300gr bullet, blow apart on a shoulder hit on a Meese, yet I don't doubt it would a Deer sized animal killer. Blow apart as in flakes.
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Post by edge on Dec 5, 2010 10:38:49 GMT -5
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Post by GMB54-120 on Dec 5, 2010 10:46:32 GMT -5
I agree media isnt the same as game but ive used this style as a baseline for years. Adjust the first layer thickness in front of the particle board to simulate larger game. Thinner piece of a totally soaked phone book, particle board, jug or bag of water and enough totally soaked books to catch the bullet. Middle hole is a Barnes O at only about 1900fps at most. Sample of a 250gr GoldDot simulated wound channel. Short video of it stopping a 50-385gr Rem CLHP from my GMB54. Ive found any bullet that hold up to this will hold up on game. Its far harder on the bullet than you may think.
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Post by chuck41 on Dec 5, 2010 10:51:40 GMT -5
I agree media isnt the same as game but ive used this style as a baseline for years. Thinner piece of a totally soaked phone book, particle board, jug or bag of water and enough totally soaked books to catch the bullet. Short video of it stopping a 50-385gr Rem CLHP from my GMB54. Ive found any bullet that hold up to this will hold up on game. Its far harder on the bullet than you may think. Really nice arrangement. Guess I had best start saving up some phone books and water bottles.
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Post by edge on Dec 5, 2010 10:56:18 GMT -5
Have you recovered the bullets from your testings? edge. PS I couldn't quite make out the comment in the video
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Post by GMB54-120 on Dec 5, 2010 11:00:21 GMT -5
Have you recovered the bullets from your testings? edge. PS I couldn't quite make out the comment in the video A few but ive had several that went through it all such as the Barnes O took me 3 tries and my 40-260gr hard cast is a pile driver at just 1950fps. Both required dry phone books at the end to stop them. s39.photobucket.com/albums/e151/DewdVTX/MuzzleLoader%20bullets%201/50and54%20Expansion%20results/Let me know if it wont let you view and i will adjust the album settings. BTW that was my friends voice who forgot to put on his hearing protection,
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Post by bigmoose on Dec 5, 2010 12:20:13 GMT -5
gmb54120 What you are doing is 360 from what I'm doing, it may be your results are more accurate than mine. I use dry catalogs and magazines, I sprap 3 or 4 together than stap them to 3 or 4 and strap the two together and on and on till I have a 30 to 35 pound block. Depending on the the bullet I'm using I will add up to 7 inches of wood, you mention the Barnes orginal in you test, I found it to be a poor penetrator, it only went 5 1/2" into my block, and weighted 146.8grs, meaning it lost 1/2 its weight. Members report it is a number 1, Deer Bullet, but thats not what I'm looking for, My number one penetrator is the Barnes 400gr Buster Bullet, at 2167FPS it went thru 7 inches of wood, a total of 21" plus.counting the block. My ideal bullet for my hunting is a Barnes 350gr X bullet, in cool weather 70 grs of H4198, no loose of weight, perfect muchroom and almost 9 inches in the block. The Buster Bullet is not needed in No. America but great fun to shoot, its the exact twin of the 404 Jefferies a well respected Elephant round.
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Post by GMB54-120 on Dec 5, 2010 13:44:36 GMT -5
bigmooseMy tests are in no way accurate but a baseline ive used for a long time. After gutting deer with bullets ive tested, the damage was what i expected. I used to use dry books but it prevented a hydraulic action and you dont get those "purdy" Barnes mushrooms. My current media forces it to expand in the water but the first layer is there to give it a chance to clog or deform the hp first. I shoot mostly 54x50 and the hottest load that still gives good accuracy. This year i used a 54x50 50-300gr FTX and a Barnes 458SCOM in a 54x45 sabot over 120gr of BH209. Both had great pass through and massive damage to the internals. The hardcasts are one of the hardest to stop. The Meister .401-260gr i shoot in my Knight 45 is nearly unstoppable without adding dry books at the end. They are rated at 18BHN and i shoot them at 1950fps. They are mostly just for fun or "ringing steel". In terms of penetration and weight retention, hardcasts are very tough and cheap to shoot but lack expansion. The 260gr is a close duplicate to the old 40/6X ballistics and good enough for removing feral hogs with good shot placement. They are not worth wasting my Barnes on them.
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Post by bigmoose on Dec 6, 2010 10:20:40 GMT -5
This is the picture of what I call the nose, depending on the caliber, I will add up to 8 inches of wood
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Post by bigmoose on Dec 6, 2010 10:28:56 GMT -5
This is what I call the block, this on weghs 36 LBs, As you can see it is compressed,The only bullet, that has passed thru the nose, with 7 inches of wood and the block, was the Buster Bullet, 400grs at 2147 to 2167, It punch thru both and a wooden barn door, It is the twin to the 404 Jeffeies, an excellent Elephant. I had to do this separately since I'm not bright enough to figure out how to do it jointly
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Post by bigmoose on Dec 6, 2010 10:31:03 GMT -5
I will post recovered bullets
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Post by bigmoose on Dec 6, 2010 11:22:57 GMT -5
I have tested many more bullets for friends, but gave them the results, none impressed me. By that I mean for what I'm looking for, deep penetration and holding its weight. But all were good Deer bullets
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Post by GMB54-120 on Dec 6, 2010 11:34:11 GMT -5
bigmooseVery cool!! Well i guess i know what to try if i get the chance to hunt those Meeces or Cape Buffalo. Im not much for killing elephants but a big Cape or Moose would be a prize of a lifetime.
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Post by bigmoose on Dec 6, 2010 11:47:02 GMT -5
gmb54120, Have no fear, there is not enough Elephants in So. Florida to hunt As for Cape Buff, I mistakenly counted on friends to go, and lost chance, at 77 its just a dream. Moose and Griz, are an other matter I know a gent that has hunted Elephants, he discribes as the tougher hunt there is, A famous guide said "you kill an Elephand with your legs, you assassinate with your rifle" You walk 15 miles or more in a hot house. Marty
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Post by Jon on Dec 6, 2010 15:47:09 GMT -5
Big moose good write up and informative. Jon
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Post by bigmoose on Dec 6, 2010 16:10:22 GMT -5
Thank you, I hope I can give one tenth of what I have gotten from this site, when I say that my thoughts go to Rick, I will miss him always.
Marty
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