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Post by robhinze on Nov 28, 2010 10:08:53 GMT -5
In the opinion of the group, who makes the strongest scope mounts? After watching my 338ultra eat up another pair of mounts, I am a tad worried about my Leupold QR's on my Sav ml. Rob
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Post by nic58 on Nov 28, 2010 10:17:03 GMT -5
I have the Warne 2 pc. steel bases and Leupold's QRW rings (which are made by Warne) on my Savage. Five+ years and a lot of shots with no problems so far. You won't go wrong with Warne mounts, they make some of the strongest stuff out there IMO.
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Post by onecardchuck on Nov 28, 2010 12:14:07 GMT -5
I just switched to the above mentioned setup and let me tell you quality and solid steel I am really happy with this mounting setup.
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Post by dannoboone on Nov 28, 2010 12:58:11 GMT -5
I've used Burris Signature Rings on the 10MLII with no problems. The offset inserts were needed to get any scope lined up. Never did figure out "why". Otherwise, a 1/8" click would run out of height adjustment and 1/4" click would be close to the end of the same. This problem persisted even after converting to .45.
Hopefully, there will be no like problem with a new build which I intend to make a switch barrel. The QRW rings will be a must for such a project.
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Post by zakjak221 on Nov 28, 2010 14:00:40 GMT -5
As stated, Warne all steel rings & QR bases are tough to beat!
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Post by robhinze on Nov 28, 2010 14:22:38 GMT -5
So would you guys use a one piece or 2 piece base system. I am not concerned about getting a primer in and out. My only concern is using my EZ tool to get the bp out. Has the one piece Warne bases interfered with the use of this wonderful tool?
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Post by Richard on Nov 28, 2010 14:23:59 GMT -5
have a Farrell steel base with the Burris Tactical (six screws per ring) rings............Yes, they are aluminum but probably 7075 material. Tough as nails and have over 3,000 punishing shots, both .50 and .45 cal.! Would highly recommend them and, at the price of around $50 per pair, they sure beat the other leading brands. They tighten onto the mount via a 1/2" nut and the steel crossbar fits the Picatinny groves perfectly. Richard
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Post by fishhawk on Nov 28, 2010 14:48:46 GMT -5
Any of the 2 piece Weaver style steel bases are good (Weaver Grand Slam, Warne, Burris, Extreme Tactical). I prefer the Burris because they have multiple slots for ring spacing options. I don't like 1 piece bases on a Savage because of receiver surface inconsistency. If 1 piece base is used bedding is a must in my book. My favorite combination is properly bedded Burris Tactical Extremes with Burris Signature Zee rings. Get the oil off the scope tube, rings, and inserts to prevent slippage. Any other rings than the Signatures on a Savage with two piece bases need to be lapped or the scope tube will likely be in a bind causing premature failure. My higher recoil Savages (10ml, 7WSM) have been enlarged to #8 base screws for added strength, but I recommend barrel removal to do the front hole properly. In my opinion very few guns have properly mounted optics.
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Post by Dave W on Nov 28, 2010 17:18:11 GMT -5
I have both Warnes and Burris', both good rings IMO but I prefer the Burris Sigs with the inserts. I have had numerous scope issues in the past, switched to the Sigs and no problems despite shooting the heaviest recoiling loads I have shouldered.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2010 19:23:33 GMT -5
Farrell one piece base and Farrell rings, if there is stronger out there I have not seen them, incl badger, nightforce etc..... stay with steel bases and rings with the exception of the burris tactical, they are tough
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2010 19:28:50 GMT -5
also the farrell base is stepped up to allow for clearence in the action area....no clearence problems but you will have to use low rings on all but 56 mm obj because of the extra height
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Post by artjr338wm on Nov 28, 2010 19:39:14 GMT -5
The two I can recommend based 100% on personal experience are:
#1-Burris Weaver style Signature "Z" rings with the plastic incerts and Weaver bases
#2-Warne two peice rings and bases.
I have the Warne's on my 10ML-II and they have worked perfectly for 600++ shots so far. I have Burris Weaver style "Z" rings on my .338wm., .300wm, 7mmSTW, 12ga slug guns (3), and lastly my 209x50 Encore. Never had a single incident or problem with the Burris rings. The ones on my Encore have with stood 1500++ magnum loads propellent and 300grn bullets, the ones on my .338, and 300wms have withstood at least 1000 rounds EA.
The only advantage i feel the Burris has on the Warne's are the Burris can not put "ring marks" on your scope.
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Post by killahog on Nov 28, 2010 19:42:00 GMT -5
Farrell Bases and burris Sig rings
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Post by robhinze on Nov 28, 2010 20:33:21 GMT -5
Burris products have cost me two elk already. Fogged fullview II 3x9 four years ago (I know cheap scope, but the other 4 knocking around in the truck and tractors seemed to work just great.) This year a Burris Sig rings slipped and the 25/300 was 5 feet left and 4 low after a week of riding in the scabbard with no major bumps or drops to the Shepherd scope (both front and rear rets were in line. I must have not have gotten all of the oil or what ever off of the rings and inserts. All of the mounting screws were still tight when I removed it this weekend. I just looked up the Warne system and it looks good.
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Post by sagittarius on Nov 28, 2010 23:55:20 GMT -5
I went with a Farrell base with two sets of rings by Farrell. It's overkill but my scope won't slip again. The Burris rings Richard mentioned are the best buy out there. Barret makes some massive strong rings too but a lot more money than the Burris.
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Post by lwh723 on Nov 29, 2010 9:09:55 GMT -5
Warne tactical series rings are the toughest I've ever used. But I'm using some Weaver steel rings that go for like $20 at Wal-Mart (as well as Weaver steel bases). They've held zero for over a year with a LOT of hard hunting on them.
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Post by pposey on Nov 29, 2010 9:50:54 GMT -5
Warne steel bases and burris sig Z rings
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Post by bigmoose on Nov 29, 2010 11:14:10 GMT -5
I have Leupold QR on my two Savages, 9 years and 6000 plus shots, probably over 7000 stopped counting at 6, I shot max loads, 20000 miles airline travel, Bush planes, trucks, Swamp buggies, on and off and like a Timex still ticking. I'm sure all the recommended mounts are fine. I would be hard pressed to use any other mount after my experience, in all fairness both my Savages wear Leupold scopes, many folks on this site report problems with there scopes, I have yet to have a problem, and some of the loads I shoot generate 40 plus pounds of recoil, about 20% more than a 375 H&H. And no I don't have stock in Leupold, but I like there products. Marty
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Post by robhinze on Nov 29, 2010 23:21:25 GMT -5
Bigmoose, I have a similar setup. I am just a little nervous after having 2 rifles fail, after years of no problems with my varmint and smaller bore deer rifles, albeit I admit that I am new to the big guns. I too have not had any problems with the Leupold QR's and scopes on the Savages MLs only the 338RUM. But the recoil is fairly stiff on the Savage and that is why my worries and questions. I originally went with the QR's because of Nebraska's previous laws that made a magnified scope illegal. Now that is not an issue. But if the setup is not broke maybe I should stay put. I will not claim to have ran thousands of rounds through my Savage but I would venture several hundred rounds of a stiff load of RL-7 with a MMP short black and a 250gr XTP.
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Post by bigmoose on Nov 30, 2010 7:31:34 GMT -5
I can only relate my experience, I have used Leupold on all my rifles thru the years, that adds up the 60 years without a problem. I have never taken a backup scope to hunts where the rearest replacement was a plane ride away. Although on my next hunt I will bring one. Only because at my age the next could be the last. And it cheap insurance. Rossman reports many scope makers are now using Chinese parts, thats alarming. In the end you should do what you are comfortable with. Good Luck.
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Post by bigmoose on Nov 30, 2010 7:35:09 GMT -5
If you are thinking of replacing your scope, you would be well served speaking to Rossman, I know I would.
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Post by Billy on Nov 30, 2010 9:05:16 GMT -5
I'm 65 and I've used nothing but Leupold scopes ever since I first discovered them many, many years ago. I had my first one to fail just a couple of months ago. I reached into my gun safe to get a rifle and accidentally knocked my .243 Rem. 600 out of the safe and onto the concrete floor. It landed on the scope and bounced. I took it to the range and could not get it zeroed. I ran out of adjustment before it would zero. I sent it to Leupold with a note explaining exactly what happened. They repaired it for me and returned it without even charging shipping. In my opinion, the scope didn't really fail; I broke it. The scope was an older Vari-X II and I didn't have any original receipts and they didn't ask for anything. That customer service can't be beat!
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Post by bigmoose on Nov 30, 2010 9:31:27 GMT -5
Billy,
Both of mine on the Savages are VX 111, 3.5X40mm, bought both from Mid-South and have the receipts., Leupold has the reputation for having great service, and you proved it. Good Luck.
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Post by Billy on Dec 2, 2010 6:44:03 GMT -5
Unless I missed it, no one mentioned the Deadnutz one piece mounts and rings. I have no experience with them. Does anyone have an opinion about them, one way or the other?
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