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Post by tar12 on Sept 29, 2010 13:09:01 GMT -5
I received a call from Ryan @ Barnes today.I have wonderful news for you 195 Barnes fans! It seems someone wanted to maximize the depth of the nose cavity in the 195 Barnes,as a result this increased the base radius due to the force exerted to achieve this task in the manufacturing process.Due to the overwhelming response of this boards members it was brought to their attention that this was a issue in our .45s and they have taken steps to correct this!They assured me that the base would remain flat from now on.BUT,if you buy them from anyone other than Barnes in the immediate future you run the risk of getting the wrong ones.Ryan told me that if you call Barnes and speak to any of them in the technical department and tell them that you are shooting a Savage and ask specifically for the flat based ones as they have both on hand.This will be the case until the present stock with the increased radius is used up and there will be no more of them! I forgot to add that they will sell them in bulk with out the sabot for $65 for 75 bullets.
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Post by rangeball on Sept 29, 2010 13:16:33 GMT -5
Sweet. Any chance he told you how long the problem has been present, so I can tell if the pack I bought earlier this year is affected? Perhaps by measuring the hole depth? If someone has a good flat one, could they please measure and post it?
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Post by tar12 on Sept 29, 2010 13:18:52 GMT -5
Sweet. Any chance he told you how long the problem has been present, so I can tell if the pack I bought earlier this year is affected? Perhaps by measuring the hole depth? If someone has a good flat one, could they please measure and post it? There is a good picture in the Barnes bullet thread. |
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Post by Richard on Sept 29, 2010 14:32:40 GMT -5
You didn't happen to mention that Mid-South is selling them for three cents a bullet cheaper including the sabot and all the plastic packaging  ? Yeah, I know, but they have the rounded base  For now, anyway! Richard |
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Post by tar12 on Sept 29, 2010 14:39:49 GMT -5
You didn't happen to mention that Mid-South is selling them for three cents a bullet cheaper including the sabot and all the plastic packaging ? Yeah, I know, but they have the rounded base For now, anyway! Richard Knight has them for .80 but it is a crap shoot on what you are getting from them. |
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Post by Richard on Sept 29, 2010 15:16:37 GMT -5
I just got an e-mail from Ryan at Barnes and here it is along with my response. ----- Original Message ----- From: Customer Service To: 'Richard DeSimone' Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:51 AM Subject: RE: bulk MZ bullets Richard, These are ready for sale on our store website. Here is the link: barnesbullets.myshopify.com/products/45-cal-400-195-gr-expander-mz-per-75wo-sabots Thank you for your patronage and let us know if there is anything we can do. Sincerely, Ryan Keele | Consumer Services / Tech Support Barnes Bullets, LLC 38 North Frontage Rd, PO Box 620, Mona, UT 84645 Phone: 435-856-1000 | Direct Line: 435-856-1111 | Fax: 435-856-1040 Ryan............will these be the ones with the "FLAT" base??? Also, will Mid-South and others be selling them packaged 75 per box? As it is, Mid-South is selling the 24 pack with sabots for $19 and change...........which comes out to $0.83 per bullet. At $65 for 75 bullets it comes out to $0.86 per bullet and no sabots?  I understand that very often manufacturers have to sell for "retail" so as not to undercut their distributors. With that in mind, would say............Mid-South be possibly selling them cheaper than you? My original train of thought was that you could sell in bulk with basic packaging (cardboard box) and no sabots for less money. That is not what is happening with this deal unless the distributors can discount. I would appreciate a reply. Thanks Richard |
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Post by tar12 on Sept 29, 2010 20:13:04 GMT -5
Thats what I got from our conversation as well. At least the problem is recogonized and corrected.
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Post by pposey on Sept 29, 2010 21:06:36 GMT -5
but are the sabots that come with them the sabots that get used by us savage shooters?
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Post by tar12 on Sept 29, 2010 21:37:08 GMT -5
but are the sabots that come with them the sabots that get used by us savage shooters? No they are not.They are using the harvester blue non-crush sabot Posey |
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Post by pposey on Sept 29, 2010 21:40:01 GMT -5
Sabots are a mute point then,,,,,,, sad to waste them though
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Post by tar12 on Sept 29, 2010 22:18:36 GMT -5
Sabots are a mute point then,,,,,,, sad to waste them though You can order them with out the sabots. |
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Post by pposey on Sept 30, 2010 4:55:29 GMT -5
I know but you can get them cheaper with sabots,, although not much,,, hold on that is the sabot I have been using, Harv. blue non crush rib
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Post by rangeball on Sept 30, 2010 8:35:24 GMT -5
I know but you can get them cheaper with sabots,, although not much,,, hold on that is the sabot I have been using, Harv. blue non crush rib I think he meant the HBNCR is the sabot SMLs use. The barnes I bought came with a tan sabot. |
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Post by lundy on Sept 30, 2010 9:16:34 GMT -5
Just spoke with Ty and Brenda at Barnes and ordered 2 bulk packs 195 gr, Lot # 4272, small radius
$130 of for 150 delivered.
Thanks Marty for making this possible
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Post by dave d. on Sept 30, 2010 9:19:15 GMT -5
 the smooth blue harvestors are the sabot of choice and they are not packaged with the 195's it's the tan mmp's.
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Post by pposey on Sept 30, 2010 9:45:56 GMT -5
Gotta call! wish they had a toll free # no long distance here at work and no cell phone covereage
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Post by lundy on Sept 30, 2010 9:53:17 GMT -5
Barnes
1-800-574-9200
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Post by pposey on Sept 30, 2010 11:24:51 GMT -5
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa thanks man,,, 2 boxes coming my way
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Post by pposey on Sept 30, 2010 11:53:44 GMT -5
Now how close will these impact with a 200XTP load? |
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Post by boarhog on Sept 30, 2010 12:40:59 GMT -5
Well, I haven't looked through the 195 and 175 gr Barnes, I got from Knight, to see if all the bases are the same. I bought 500 @ .70 each, so I WILL be shooting them, even if I have to back off to 2500 fps instead of 3000. It sorta chaps my hide for Barnes to charge 87 cents apiece, when it is less costly for them to bulk pack them. I've been in retail a long time. It often costs as much or more for packaging than the product itself costs to manufacture. They don't even need a cardboard box. You can buy heavy mil ziploc bags for less than 5 cents each, probably more like 2 cents in bulk. Just doesn't seem right.
Boarhog
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Post by rangeball on Sept 30, 2010 12:46:58 GMT -5
Well, I haven't looked through the 195 and 175 gr Barnes, I got from Knight, to see if all the bases are the same. I bought 500 @ .70 each, so I WILL be shooting them, even if I have to back off to 2500 fps instead of 3000. It sorta chaps my hide for Barnes to charge 87 cents apiece, when it is less costly for them to bulk pack them. I've been in retail a long time. It often costs as much or more for packaging than the product itself costs to manufacture. They don't even need a cardboard box. You can buy heavy mil ziploc bags for less than 5 cents each, probably more like 2 cents in bulk. Just doesn't seem right. Boarhog No, it doesn't, but I can seem them not wanting to compete against their main distribution channels, their vendors. What we now need to do is get someone on Midway or Midsouth to start offering them in bulk. Selling in bulk is relatively new for Barnes, chances are some distributors don't even know they are available that way. Someone wanta contact midway? |
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Post by Chris Champion on Sept 30, 2010 16:01:00 GMT -5
2 boxes on the way to Fremont, IN. Thanks to Shooter and Tar12 and others who have followed up with Barnes to make this happen.
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Post by shooter on Sept 30, 2010 20:29:13 GMT -5
Chris,you may not have to knurl them up cause in my savage they loaded tighter then the other one. flat base are nice. Just try see what happens. Thanks Chris Glad i could help. |
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? Yeah, I know, but they have the rounded base 
For now, anyway!
I understand that very often manufacturers have to sell for "retail" so as not to undercut their distributors. With that in mind, would say............Mid-South be possibly selling them cheaper than you?
the smooth blue harvestors are the sabot of choice and they are not packaged with the 195's it's the tan mmp's.