Getting ready to tune up and decide

[wilmsmeyer]

Nice to have options....

We have put up many new stands this year and some of them command a flat shooting load....or a well known trajectory chart out to 300 yds.

The past two years have found me going with bullets that are not my first choice for terminal performance. 2 years ago was the 300 XTP at 2500 fps and last year was the 300 rem at the same speed. During "doe" season last year I used a pip-squeak load of 30 gr 4759 and a 330 gr hardcast with great results on 4 deer. I didn't lose any deer but I did confirm my suspisions regarding the rems and XTPs. Lot's of collateral damage that seemed like over kill. Blast factor gone wild. Dead deer and bloodshot shoulders. Kinda like shooting squirrels in the shoulder with a .22 mag. You get the backstraps and the hind end and throw everthing else away. I used these load for their accuracy...a good reason IMO.

So....a change is in order. My thoughts this year is to push a copper at "normal" speeds accurately. I have a load that worked a long time ago that I think will be tried first. It's 43 gr 4759 with a 250 gr TMZ. This was a sleeper years back and I opted for 2700+ and H4198 in order to gain flatness.

Should give great ignition and plenty of speed for 200 yd shots. Get to know the drops and 250 could be a cinch which is as far as I can get a good rest from a tree stand off a stick.

We'll see....the bow is getting all my attention right now but the thoughts are beginning to churn on loads. I am kinda getting tired of blowing the crap out of both shoulders with this powerful gun. The deer I shot with the hardcasts last year at LOW speed showed me again what a large caliber bullet can do....without blasting the crap out of a deer. Putting holes in the vitals at all angles settles all scores every time. Sometimes I need those experiences to realize that. Everything seems to put deer down but with a big gun, you just need a hole in the right place that will happen at any angle and you're golden.

When I get dialed in, which shouldn't take long in between bowhunts in a few weeks, I'll try and post some results.

[tar12]

Wilms,
Did you ever give the BO a run?

[screwbolts]

Please, never underestimate that hard cast. Thank you for using them with the pip-squeak loads. But my brothers continue to drive them fast and we get great accuracy out as far as we care to shoot them. We routinely shoot them out to 335 yards ( the far bank of the pound from my brothers shooting window in his loading room. It is common to have 5 shoots well under 6 inches.

I now also have a 5 cavity 300 gr mold with a .270 Meplat and a slight beveled base for sabots. This Boolit has been shooting egualy well as them 330's. the smaller Meplat should perform the same as the LFN at a higher FPS. If interested PM me.

Ken

[wilmsmeyer]

Tar,

Never a fair chance . I know they are great. no doubt. I have so much ordinance that buying them would be money spent foollishly.

I will have to agree with screwbolts. I killed 4 deer with his bullets last year and I still have a bunch of them. All very dead deer with all the benefits of penetration. They shot very well too. I never pushed them fast...one day I may

[DBinNY]

Wilms, I think you're gettin soft. Our recoil hero shooting Sissy loads . Say it isn't so . Maybe you could get somebody to swap you some BOs for some of that ordinance you currently have in inventory.

I think screwbolts needs a .45 too. That way he could develop a .40 hard cast so we'd have another option. Better go Savage because Al buys up all the Remingtons before anybody else gets a chance .

[wilmsmeyer]

Maybe DB is right....softy.

There is no problem shooting the fast loads, it's just that they smash deer up a lot. I get funny looks at camp when I skin my deer. They look like they were hit with a car sometimes.

That extra 300-400 fps isn't really mattering much out to 200-250 IMO

[screwbolts]

[quote author=dbinny board=
I think screwbolts needs a .45 too. That way he could develop a .40 hard cast so we'd have another option. Better go Savage because Al buys up all the Remingtons before anybody else gets a chance .[/quote]

dbinny, I can't take any of the credit for hard cast!! Veral Smith of LBT, is the man that gets the credit. I am using one of his molds. Your wish for a .40 for .45 rifle is already a reality. www.prbullet.com/lbt.htm

IMHO, but some what less than humble opinion ;D, Sissy loads they aren't, 30 gr of 4759 is the equivalent to 95 gr V of BH209.


Ken

[DBinNY]

Thanks Ken, I just like to yank Wilms's chain.

[pposey]

I hear ya on cutting back on the loads, I usta shoot faster 300 grain loads in my .50, now am going slower in my .40,,,

[herman]

I too am wondering how many grains you are going to drop down the tube?
Just thinking about your 4198 loads makes my shoulder drupe.