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Mar 13, 2010 10:44:27 GMT -5
Post by 153 on Mar 13, 2010 10:44:27 GMT -5
I am new to reloading. Just order a RCBS Rockcrusher Kit. I will be reloading for a 243, 270 and 30-06. Which primer is the most accurate? I like the CCI's for muzzle loading as they seam the most consistent but I though you guys would give me the most honest answer just as I trust the recommendations on the ML board. Also any tips for a newbie to reloading.
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Mar 13, 2010 14:08:09 GMT -5
Post by lanenebraska on Mar 13, 2010 14:08:09 GMT -5
Unfortunately all primer prices are still high, 30-35 bucks per 1000. That said, if you can find any brand of BenchRest LargeRifle primers for the same price, go ahead and get them.
But if primers are still scarce in your neck of the woods, just get what you can. Rem,Fed,Magtech,Win,CCI, Wolf. I really can't tell much difference between them
If you want to use IMR7828 SSC powder=Any SlowBurnPowder for your 100g bullets in 243, or 200g bullets in the 30-06, then you may need some Magnum LargeRifle primers--to insure good ignition in severe low tempetures.
So any brand of largerifle primers will work for all 3 calibers you have mentioned. And I really hope that you can find some locally
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Mar 13, 2010 21:49:14 GMT -5
Post by mountainam on Mar 13, 2010 21:49:14 GMT -5
In my 40+ years of reloading I'm partial to CCI Mag primers. Not because they're hotter,but because they seem to have the lowest fps deviation shot to shot according to my Chrony. For me they are more consistent than benchrest CCI primers. I'm sure that someone else will tell you otherwise. They also have the hardest cups and usually can take a stouter load before showing signs of high pressure. H414 or WW760 will give you very good results with your listed calibers although I just finished wringing out some of those same calibers for people using Hodgdons new Hybrid V100 powder. It is absolutely awesome and delivers an extra 100 fps just as advertised. You can read more on their website. Choosing RCBS equipment was wise on your part. No one backs up their products as they do. I've purchased dies on Ebay that some clown told me they were in excellent condition that turned out that the decapping stems were bent. One call to RCBS remedied the foul at absolutly no cost or questions. I have Hornady dies also. They actually look better than the RCBS but I seem to experience problems with the cases. It could be ancedotal, but I won't use them anymore. I went back to what I started with. Good luck with your foray into ammocrafting!
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Mar 15, 2010 18:33:53 GMT -5
Post by youp50 on Mar 15, 2010 18:33:53 GMT -5
I like CCI primers, too. I did buy some Remingtons this summer. They were available.
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Mar 16, 2010 15:00:24 GMT -5
Post by deadeye on Mar 16, 2010 15:00:24 GMT -5
i know you are not getting a clearcut answer here. i agree most primers are excellent . the load will be tuned around the primer,magnum calibers usually require mag primers(slow burning powders) as a rule. i prefer federal gm210's & fed gm215m for magnum placement. i believe the speer manual gives you a asterick on powders designed for mag primer applications.for loads i like to use a cross-reference between the nosler & sierra manuals as a starting general rule for accurate loads.
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Mar 17, 2010 5:47:40 GMT -5
Post by screwbolts on Mar 17, 2010 5:47:40 GMT -5
Powder Valley, has a good supply of Wolf primers listed @ $25.5. There are a lot of Wolf primers being used in the BR circle. I have used over 25K in the last 4 years in everything from 38 Sp. to 6.5x300. I have over 100K of wolf at the present time and am still buying.
There 209s work well in smokeless guns also.
I like them,
Ken
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Mar 18, 2010 13:52:45 GMT -5
Post by cfvickers on Mar 18, 2010 13:52:45 GMT -5
Well, I am surprised that I haven't seen anyone else that agreed, but My favorite primers are Federal Gold Medal Match. They are extremely consistant in my experience. But here's the thing. Some people hate CCI some love them. Never heard of anyone (unless they pop up now) that said that Fed. GMM were not outstanding, and I have heard Winchesters were very good as well. I just got a brick of Wins so I will soon find out. Find something that works well for you. I have a friend that shoots 600 yard BR and he swears that a primer is a primer.
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Mar 19, 2010 22:34:22 GMT -5
Post by mike3132 on Mar 19, 2010 22:34:22 GMT -5
Ive personally have never seen much difference in accuracy using different brand rifle and pistol primers but I always use benchrest primers or match primers. The only reason I use 209M primers for my Savage 10ML is Ive never had a mis-fire in very cold weather using these primers.
I feel primers are like bullets, they all work so it comes down to personal preference. Mike
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Mar 24, 2010 0:46:30 GMT -5
Post by boarhog on Mar 24, 2010 0:46:30 GMT -5
I have used Win, Fed, Rem, and CCI primers. Both standard and mag versions. I have seen no real difference in accuracy, or speed, in side by side tests with any of my hunting rifles or pistols. Certainly no more shot to shot speed variation than I would normally expect with a particular load. I have not tried the newer brands that are available nowadays. A friend just ordered 3000 Fiocci small rifle primers this week. I wouldn't randomly mix primers, but would not be particular about brand when I need to re-supply. I haven't had a miss-fire since the mid 1960s. Boarhog
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Mar 24, 2010 6:53:55 GMT -5
Post by mountainam on Mar 24, 2010 6:53:55 GMT -5
Boarhog, I've used the primers that you listed and saw what I consider a big difference in performance. For example, I'm a Remington guy to the core but would never use their metallic primers. They will begin to flow at 4 grs under max in the same cartridge. My primo loads using CCI Mag primers will open up by half when substituted with Fed Match primers. Winchesters show promise with the group size but lose 40 fps. I've even experienced higher velocity but worse groups using CCI benchrest Vs CCI Mags. I use whatever I have on hand when loading for guys that normally are "off the shelfers" because most of them are tickled if their rifle shoots at 3/4"@ 100yds. In my .22/250 and 17 rem that both shoot under 1/4" groups you can certainly tell the difference between primers with variations in group size and coronograph readings.
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Apr 16, 2010 17:26:46 GMT -5
Post by thelefthand on Apr 16, 2010 17:26:46 GMT -5
I shoot the Fed gold medal match primers for my long range match ammo. I can't tell you that they are XX% better than anybody else's, but I can tell you that I can hold them in the X ring at 600 yards. I like using them because I can use the standard Federal primers with the same load data and that makes good practice and short range ammo. Then I can just use the expensive stuff where it matters a little more.
Just my 2 bits, Mark
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Apr 17, 2010 13:59:56 GMT -5
Post by deadon on Apr 17, 2010 13:59:56 GMT -5
I agree with CF, the federal Gold medal 210 m is the best ;D but I also like CCI BR
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Nov 17, 2010 22:47:38 GMT -5
Post by smokepole50 on Nov 17, 2010 22:47:38 GMT -5
If your shooting a 1000 yard bench rest rifle with hand loads and you shoot it every day because you compete then Gold Metal Match primers might make enough difference to be worth the extra money, if not, save your pennies and buy better brass and bullets. The brass is the weakest link in the whole reloading process. The case is the expansion chamber and if it is only slightly different case to case then your pressure curve will be different and you POI different. Case preperation is 85% of the reloading process and if you are using cheap cases then you are wasting your money with match primers.
Smokepole50
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Nov 18, 2010 0:18:38 GMT -5
Post by rossman40 on Nov 18, 2010 0:18:38 GMT -5
I have to agree with Smokepole. Getting the most consistent primer will not do you any good if your shooting brass picked up off the ground at the range. Good case prep and segregation is the key. One guy I know has the complete history of each 50 round lot of cases he uses. Some of those lots do not have the full 50 anymore but he still keeps them segregated and the case has a card with all the info.
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Nov 18, 2010 19:15:36 GMT -5
Post by boarhog on Nov 18, 2010 19:15:36 GMT -5
Well, last weekend I made a liar out of myself. My oldest son had a missfire with one of my 257 Roberts loads. The primer looked well dented, and I haven't pulled it apart to make certain I had powder in it, but I will soon. The primer was Winchester standard WLR. At least he was trying to shoot a doe instead of Mr. Big! BH
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Nov 19, 2010 8:25:45 GMT -5
Post by pposey on Nov 19, 2010 8:25:45 GMT -5
CCI is all I have ever used and they work very well for me
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Nov 20, 2010 8:27:14 GMT -5
Post by rossman40 on Nov 20, 2010 8:27:14 GMT -5
What is bad is there are only two plants in the US that make primers (not counting Lake City), Winchester and then everything else is made by CCI. Of course the specs are different on what comes off the line at CCI but basicly the same line produces CCI, Federal and Remington. The same way with .22 rimfire.
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