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Post by deadon on Jan 5, 2010 14:18:10 GMT -5
Can you dry fire a savage ml 10 without hurting it. When I was in yhe service I was told to marry the weapon , dry fire dry fire dry fire. I know I dry fire my model 70 win and my savage 223. Have not heard it mentioned. Doe anyone know? thank you
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Post by mountainam on Jan 5, 2010 14:32:47 GMT -5
I wouldn't think it would hurt it. It certainly will not hurt a Rem 700. Although I suppose it depends on the mass of the firing pin. My son dry fired my Marlin 62 in .256 Win Mag and I was taking it the next morning to Pa for fall turkey. When I tilted the muzzle to shove it in the case I heard a metallic tink on the kitchen floor. I turned on the light to find the end of the firing pin. That rifle had a whimpy firing pin. You should never dry fire a rimfire rifle because the firing pin can peen the rear of the chamber. Something to look for when buying a used one. As for the 10ML, I'd place a spent primer in the shell holder if it were me. Why make yourself headaches?
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Post by 10ga on Jan 5, 2010 15:14:37 GMT -5
ditto on the spent primer as per mountainam. 10 ga
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Post by joe21a on Jan 5, 2010 15:25:27 GMT -5
It has been said that it can damage the Firing pin. A way to help reduce the chance of this is to use some thing like a snap cap. You can make one from an old primer by removing the center and filling it with RTV or some other silicone. This helps take some of the shock of the firing pin tip
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Post by Richard on Jan 5, 2010 16:32:10 GMT -5
Its actually kind of hard to damage that firing pin. And once you strike that primer a couple times, its going to be like not having one there anyway . Yes, rimfires are a different story. Richard
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Post by deadon on Jan 5, 2010 17:06:28 GMT -5
So I can dry fire without doing any damage?
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Post by ozark on Jan 5, 2010 19:01:09 GMT -5
No guarantees but using a primer or something to cushion the firing pin tip is a good idea. I have always been told the pin need to strike something other than being stopped by its shoulder. I would trust Richard on this one. I am a propinent of dry firing. It is a good way to make holding the rifle, aiming and closely observing the sight picture when the hammer falls. Dry firing using a target and a plotting paper and indicating where you think the bullet would have hit had there been one. Is very good self training. It may be hard for most to dry fire ten times daily and plotting the believed results but if you do you will find the plot size becomes smaller. Expecially on offhand shooting. But even with support causing ignition when the sights are perfect is a learned skill.
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Post by songdog on Jan 5, 2010 19:13:09 GMT -5
Its actually kind of hard to damage that firing pin. And once you strike that primer a couple times, its going to be like not having one there anyway . Yes, rimfires are a different story. Richard What Richard said! I have been told by numerous gunsmiths that it is OK to dry fire a CENTERFIRE weapon with no ill effects. Course they may have been drumming up business! But for a FACT, as Richard stated above, you DO NOT want to dry fire a rimfire weapon!!!
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Post by ozark on Jan 5, 2010 21:33:53 GMT -5
Dry firing a rim fire rifle is damaging if no empty case is there to seperate the firing pin from the chamber sholder. If an empty shell is inserted I don't believe there will be damage. The empty case can be rotated to safely dry fire many times. I can't agree with a flat statement that you DO NOT dry fire a rim fire. In Armory school they gave us dumbie shells to dry fire but to also gage the indent the firing pin made on the rim. In military marksmanship teams dry firing the .22 pistol was a daily practice. I was the armorer and never needed to replace a barrel due to members dry firing on an empty case. I could be wrong so if someone can tell me how snapping the firing pin against a empty case is harmful I will learn something I need to know. As always, just my opinion based on what I was taught and encouraged others to do.
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Post by northny on Jan 5, 2010 22:47:08 GMT -5
I don't know about the savage, but don't ever dry fire a Winchester 88 lever gun (not even once!) Firing pin is notorious problem! The dealer who sold me my .308 had to replace it when it broke when he dry fired it. I have a .243 that was my dads and was never dry fired. My son dry fired it once, and the pin broke. I always use snap caps in all my Center Fire rifles and and my shotguns, and a spent primer in the Savage.
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Post by chuck41 on Jan 6, 2010 0:18:13 GMT -5
I don't know about the savage, but don't ever dry fire a Winchester 88 lever gun (not even once!) Firing pin is notorious problem! The dealer who sold me my .308 had to replace it when it broke when he dry fired it. I have a .243 that was my dads and was never dry fired. My son dry fired it once, and the pin broke. I always use snap caps in all my Center Fire rifles and and my shotguns, and a spent primer in the Savage. I had a Win 88 in 308 and dry fired it a bunch with never a problem. I guess I was just lucky. A snap cap surely wouldn't hurt.
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Post by pposey on Jan 6, 2010 11:01:03 GMT -5
I believe winchester had or has a recall fix on those 100s and 88s fireing pins
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Post by biggreen on Jan 6, 2010 19:56:26 GMT -5
When I bought mine about 5 yrs ago, I dry fired it about 20-30 times and the black round knob(not sure what it's called) that moves with firing pin(??) came loose. I sent it back to Savage for repair. Needless to say I'm afraid to dry fire it now.
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Post by DBinNY on Jan 6, 2010 22:18:53 GMT -5
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Post by biggreen on Jan 6, 2010 22:56:17 GMT -5
Thanks, that was some great information. Well, I dry fired it a couple times and I noticed that after firing, the cocking piece pin can be wiggled around a bit, is this normal? I couldn't tell from the pictures, is it screwed in? If not what holds it in? It seems loose to me and I'm concerned it may come really loose again. Thanks for the help.
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Post by DBinNY on Jan 7, 2010 10:17:24 GMT -5
Been a while since I had my bolt apart but I believe the pin is retained by the slot in the cocking piece and it is not threaded. Rossman can verify.
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Post by biggreen on Jan 10, 2010 22:24:36 GMT -5
dougva.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Savage&action=display&thread=10522&page=1#100914[/quote]Thanks, that was some great information. Well, I dry fired it a couple times and I noticed that after firing, the cocking piece pin can be wiggled around a bit, is this normal? I couldn't tell from the pictures, is it screwed in? If not what holds it in? It seems loose to me and I'm concerned it may come really loose again. Thanks for the help. [/quote] Can anyone answer this??? thanks
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Post by chuck41 on Jan 11, 2010 9:10:12 GMT -5
dougva.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Savage&action=display&thread=10522&page=1#100914Thanks, that was some great information. Well, I dry fired it a couple times and I noticed that after firing, the cocking piece pin can be wiggled around a bit, is this normal? I couldn't tell from the pictures, is it screwed in? If not what holds it in? It seems loose to me and I'm concerned it may come really loose again. Thanks for the help. Can anyone answer this??? thanks From Rossman's article in the link in the first quote above, ". . . When assembled and in the de-cocked or fired position you should be able to wiggle the pin a little bit. . . . . ."
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