Lots of savage 10ml ll questions.

[apeman]

Hello everybody. Ive been lurking here a while and ive spent countless hours reading here but I still have a bunch of questions.

Here is my background. I bought a new 10 mlll is 2012, had to wait 6 months on order, blued and with plastic stock. I wanted to extend my hunting season a week. Used the book load of 4759, 250gr xtp and short mmp sabot and killed about a dozen deer with all within 150 yards. I never really messed with it or tried to get more out of it, I was content. This year I traded a different gun I wasn't using for an older stainless 10mlll with plastic stock and factory mounted scope. Then I did some research, probably not the best order to do things, but it landed me here, looking to get a little more out these rifles, say 200-250 yards.
My questions are:
What is a duplex load?
What are the advantages of it?
Why do some knurl the bullet?
What are the gains?
How do you knurl a bullet?
What is annealing?
What are the gains and how do you anneal a bullet?
Can you shoot a stock 10ml ll sabotless?
If so what bullets work?
Book says that the weight limit for smokeless is 300gr. Does this eliminate to the use of Hornady ftx 325gr?
Can this gun shoot a Hornady bore eldx 50?
Can this gun shoot federal premium trophy copper 50 270gr with no sabot?
When do you use wads and what type for when?
How do you adjust the headspace if you are getting blowback?
Where do the o rings go?
How do I know if I have a 3rd pillar screw?
Which gun is better? The stainless or blued? My cousin offered to buy it off me when I showed it to him. Not sure what a fair price is.

Thanks so much for the patience to all my questions. Any suggestions on loads would also be much appreciated. I have 4759, n110, and lt-32 powders available to me. Looking to use 300gr bullets as well. Thanks so much. I didn't mean to be such a windbag.

[mrbuck]

These are all great questions however 250 yards can be done without doing many of the above . First is to find a bullet with a higher BC than the very reliable Hornady XTP . The 250gr. Barnes Tipped bullet is excellent . Parker 250gr. Ballistic Extremes are also excellent but are a "softer" bullet . This will help you get increased distance from the bullet . Next is to find the sabot that gives the best accuracy in your rifles . MMP and Harvester will work but you must find the right sabot thickness and length that produces the best accuracy . Powder ? 4759 is excellent as well as N110 . A sweet spot with both powders is between 42 and 44 grains for accuracy as well as speed . Most shooters use CCI 209M or Federal 209A primers . Winchester 209 primers will also work well. CCI 209M burn very clean and keep your plug cleaner .One of the old timers here who tested many MLIIs said his best load was 43.5 grains of 4759 , a 250gr. Horandy SST in a MMP short sabot . I forget what primer he used . One of my MLIIs puts 3 Hornady 250gr. SSts in an inch (sometimes less) at just about 2350FPS with 43.ogrs. of 4759 . Sighted 2" high at 100yds. it is on at 150yds. and drops 3.5" at 200 yds . The most important thing is once you find an accurate load is to Practice ! Practice ! Practice ! And don't expect to find the best load in just a few shots !

[apeman]

Thanks so much for the info and the reply. I will get to work on ordering the bullets and sabots to try. Thanks.

[mrbuck]

There is a big " learning curve " with the Savage MLII . One of the best things you can do is get a Boyd's laminated stock and have it glass bedded for both your rifles . This will aide in accuracy and keeping the point of impact stable . Might as well get a 3rd pillar screw as that is most important in keeping point of impact stable and aides in cleaning . This is just the beginning of your journey with the MLII .

[cuda]

I have the plastic stock on mine yet and only 2 screws with a 300gr bullet I can get a .452 group at 100yds. With 69gr to 70gr of IMR4198 it is all I shoot in mine.

[apeman]

Where does the 3rd pillar screw go? Is that something I would be able to do? I'm fairly handy and have tools but don't want to make things worse either.

[smokeeter]

They were usually installed .75 in. ahead of the front action screw. you should be able to drill and tap the receiver just align it with existing front and rear action screws. I've done several and always installed the pillar in the stock first then drilled the receiver using the pillar as a reference. I believe the action screws are 1/4-28.

[cuda]

Sorry my .452 group was 3 shots group at 100yds. I got a phone call as I was typing I did sand the stock out some for clearance on the barrel.

[1gifford]

3rd hole spacing..........
dougsmessageboards.proboards.com/thread/17259/spacing-10ml-3rd-pillar-screw

[apeman]

Thanks so much for the tips. I will definitely sand the stock, thats easy enough. Where do you get the pillar from? Midway? Would you be able to install a helicoil in the stock and get the same results? Maybe with a washer spacer in between the action and the stock?

[cuda]

All you have to remember is get the stock screws tight and do not remove or adjust again. Pull the plug out of the open bolt. The reason for the 3rd screw was to be able to remove the bolt. You do not need to remove the bolt with the new breech plugs. So there is no need for the 3rd screw now. I use a 3/8" ratchet a long extension swivel and socket to remove my breech plug out of the open bolt. And I use white plumbers tape on the threads too. I use a 300gr hp and it has not loosened the screws yet after many rounds and year. I did cut the back of the stock off to add a good recoil pad.

[apehole]

Has anyone had any luck finding cci 209m primers in stock? All the websites that I've looked at are either scams or out of stock.