|
Post by speedrackin on Jan 6, 2015 18:19:06 GMT -5
And nothin for nothin but thats a Box gun Not CUSTOM apples to oranges if ur tryin to compare , if a guy has a limited budget so be it . But why do the people with the limited budget always knock the the guy with the bigger budget like hes foolish and cheaper is better ?
|
|
|
Post by lwh723 on Jan 6, 2015 19:21:49 GMT -5
And nothin for nothin but thats a Box gun Not CUSTOM apples to oranges if ur tryin to compare , if a guy has a limited budget so be it . But why do the people with the limited budget always knock the the guy with the bigger budget like hes foolish and cheaper is better ? It's apples to apples to the comment that $1500 is the cheapest you can put a CF build together. I've dumped way more than $2K into a MZ before, so I've got no issue with someone spending $2200 on an MZ if it's what they want. Jeff's right, he has to make a living. Self-employment taxes, income taxes, FFL fees, etc, etc.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 20:02:04 GMT -5
This doesn't seem to be much about the ultimate anymore
|
|
|
Post by miketodd58 on Jan 6, 2015 20:13:23 GMT -5
About the cheapest a man can construct a custom centerfire is somewhere in the $1500 price range. That is using a stock Remington 700 ADL and putting a decent barrel on it. That does not include custom stock options or custom trigger options. Price from there just goes up. So $2200 does not seem so out of whack for a quality muzzleloader built by a gunsmith the quality of Mr.Hankins. He is more than just a parts assembler. He is a master gunsmith and machinist. Actually, you can get it done for under $1K. Rem 700 SA @ Wal-Mart $377 (or so I'm told) Pac-Nor Barrel $436 Dave DD CF 45ACP Plug w/Bushing $120 Total: $933 Sorry I should have said labor cost included. I don't know any true competent gunsmith that is going to take a blank barrel.. cut Crown and ream it and head space it for much less than $500. I was also including a trigger job and basic bedding in my original figure.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 20:32:44 GMT -5
This doesn't seem to be much about the ultimate anymore I was thinking the same thing
|
|
|
Post by lwh723 on Jan 6, 2015 20:35:48 GMT -5
Sorry I should have said labor cost included. I don't know any true competent gunsmith that is going to take a blank barrel.. cut Crown and ream it and head space it for much less than $500. I was also including a trigger job and basic bedding in my original figure. The brass is head spaced instead of the barrel with DD CF system, so a prefit barrel can be used. Screw the old barrel off and screw the new one on. But yeah, if you're including head spacing, bedding, trigger job, etc. $1500 becomes much more realistic.
|
|
|
Post by bigmoose on Jan 7, 2015 12:54:55 GMT -5
But Jeff is not any competent gunsmith, In the words of one of the wise men, " He has built a better mouse trap" More power to him, wish I was 10 years younger,I'd be beating on his front door.
Marty
|
|
|
Post by 10ga on Jan 7, 2015 18:01:59 GMT -5
All the guys here who contribute make us better for knowing what is out there. How we want to get there is personal choice. Slufoot, Fishhawk, Hillbill, Rossman, Luke, Jeff, moose, guppy, myers129, Dave D and many others make us all richer for their contributions. My lifestyle has allowed me to spend an inordinate amount of time in the woods, on the waters and traveling the wilds. Being a professional at much of it, like fur/varmit/predator trapper/hunter, commercial fisherman, commercial hunter/wildlife control professional puts me in a different MO than most "sports" and I certainly understand the differences. Most any item that can reduce cost and/or increase take or efficeincy and/or income is certainly of interest. From my background it's like the guys that are small bore competitive rifle shooters compared to guys like me who call and shoot coons and fox/coyote for $. They are very different games and to me the $ out to $ in is important. To the small bore competitor a 2500 scope is just cost to play whereas to me the outlay for a Savage bolter 17HMR better pay it's way. I thank GOD every day that I live in a place where I'm relatively free to make my own decisions and provide my own way and contribute to the betterment of the human condition as best as I can. Just delivered a bunch of meat to the local food distribution system the local churches support. I'm in for dougsmessageboards.proboards.com/thread/16530/drawing-free-sml-2015 next year. best to all and have a good year, 10
|
|
|
Post by bigmoose on Jan 7, 2015 18:49:35 GMT -5
10ga
Folks like you help giving hunters a good name
I donate my Moose meat to the locals in Fairbanks AK
Its very fine meat, very low in fat
|
|
|
Post by miketodd58 on Jan 8, 2015 17:31:59 GMT -5
But Jeff is not any competent gunsmith, In the words of one of the wise men, " He has built a better mouse trap" More power to him, wish I was 10 years younger,I'd be beating on his front door. Marty That was really the point I was trying to express. He is more than a parts assembler. He is a true gunsmith and master craftsman. A hard thing to find now days.
|
|
|
Post by sgellis on Jan 8, 2015 22:45:45 GMT -5
Is this basically the same idea as the old Savage 10ML ,except for using black powder substitute? I have one, and I see it as more of an improvement on the old defunct Remington, being more up to speed with the custom Ultimate Rifle, but at a much lower production cost. I don't see it as a Remington take on the smokeless Savage. What I like about this new Remington, over the custom Ultimate Rifle, is the improvements to the breech plug and ignition system. The Remington shoots Blackhorn 209 exceedingly well, whereas the Ultimate Rifle does not, as the Ultimate Rifle breech plug is designed for pellets. In addition, the Remington breech plug is user replaceable and low maintenance. It's near perfection for running the Blackhorn. I'll hear guys claim of getting only a shot or two from each priming case. Don't have a clue what they are doing, but using normal priming techniques, same as I do for loading my center-fire cartridges, I've gone to four reloads so far on one lot of cases, that being a total of five firings, and have yet to see any blow back. I purchased these through Remington in a case lot, and they were markedly cheaper. I believe it worked out to something around $18 bucks per bag, including shipping. So far, that looks like something around 15 cents each for five firings. I intend to sacrifice a breech plug and run my test lot until performance failure to find an average for how many times I can recycle the cases. In addition, will see how far I can abuse the breech plug with leakage to see how it fairs. Long term goal is to determine that average max number, say they go 6, 7, or 8 times or so, and I'll just back off a couple times and use that as maximum case life for my current lot. In addition, if down the road I begin to see the breech plug degrade causing pre-mature blow back, I'll just swap out with a spare. The breech plugs are not expensive and they are user friendly plug and play. Depending on demand, you may find one over the counter at a store for under $800. If you have access to dealer costs, then of course it would be cheaper, again if you can find one. If you desire to shoot Blackhorn 209 with a top shelf ignition system, then this rifle should be on your short list. If you have no desire to shoot Blackhorn 209 and are most interested in shooting smokeless, then maybe you should look elsewhere. Mine is needed for CO elk, so I intent to shoot fixed sights, Blackhorn, and the new Federal "non-sabot" bullet. So far, my rifle is shooting exceedingly well and I believe it to be a good choice. I've been happy running Blackhorn in the 91 grains to 98 grains weight range (130 to 140 grains volume), but a number of guys, including Bob Parker are running 160 grain volume loads with stellar performance out the same rifle. Whenever Western Powder completes their testing and come out with their "Remington Ultimate Only" loads, if they proof Parker's loads as safe, then I would certainly think that would be the bomb for those seeking 400 yard long range performance with a BP Substitute rifle, especially one that is rack grade production, yet shoots near custom rifle accurate. Best
|
|
|
Post by encore50a on Jan 9, 2015 7:21:05 GMT -5
Are you removing your breech plug to clean each time you shoot it?
|
|
|
Post by sgellis on Jan 9, 2015 10:30:33 GMT -5
I pulled the breech initially, more-so for peace of mind, being the gun was assembled sloppily. I removed the varnished packing "rust inhibitor" chemically and had no need for any aggressive mechanical cleaning. Since that initial cleaning, I've not needed more than a few brush strokes to clean the barrel, so no reason to remove the breech plug. Removing the breech plug was suggested reference your troubled barrel, where you performed a heavy amount of aggressive mechanical cleaning through the muzzle end. Was suggesting that if such an aggressive amount of mechanical cleaning was needed, running strokes one direction from the breech end would likely lessen wear on the muzzle end, vs running such a volume of mechanical cleaning strokes two direction through the muzzle. When Remington re-barrels your rifle, hopefully they'll get things squared away. It is a production rifle however, so lemons will get out. Best
|
|
|
Post by encore50a on Jan 9, 2015 11:42:28 GMT -5
I pulled the breech initially, more-so for peace of mind, being the gun was assembled sloppily. I removed the varnished packing "rust inhibitor" chemically and had no need for any aggressive mechanical cleaning. Since that initial cleaning, I've not needed more than a few brush strokes to clean the barrel, so no reason to remove the breech plug. Removing the breech plug was suggested reference your troubled barrel, where you performed a heavy amount of aggressive mechanical cleaning through the muzzle end. Was suggesting that if such an aggressive amount of mechanical cleaning was needed, running strokes one direction from the breech end would likely lessen wear on the muzzle end, vs running such a volume of mechanical cleaning strokes two direction through the muzzle. When Remington re-barrels your rifle, hopefully they'll get things squared away. It is a production rifle however, so lemons will get out. Best Be very careful when removing it if required again after shooting. Breaking the nipple off, requires it to be put into a lathe and drilled out. Then an EZ-out with a cheater bar to get the remaining threads out. Hopefully not damaging them.
|
|
|
Post by mcgowen45 on Jan 9, 2015 13:29:58 GMT -5
About the cheapest a man can construct a custom centerfire is somewhere in the $1500 price range. That is using a stock Remington 700 ADL and putting a decent barrel on it. That does not include custom stock options or custom trigger options. Price from there just goes up. So $2200 does not seem so out of whack for a quality muzzleloader built by a gunsmith the quality of Mr.Hankins. He is more than just a parts assembler. He is a master gunsmith and machinist. Actually, you can get it done for under $1K. Rem 700 SA @ Wal-Mart $377 (or so I'm told) Pac-Nor Barrel $436 Dave DD CF 45ACP Plug w/Bushing $120 Total: $933 Actually you can get a SS Remington action with trigger and bolt for 329.00. Carlos
|
|
|
Post by rkrobson on Jan 9, 2015 13:39:53 GMT -5
Wow, where are these stainless actions for sale at that price? Ray
|
|
|
Post by sgellis on Jan 9, 2015 14:06:46 GMT -5
I pulled the breech initially, more-so for peace of mind, being the gun was assembled sloppily. I removed the varnished packing "rust inhibitor" chemically and had no need for any aggressive mechanical cleaning. Since that initial cleaning, I've not needed more than a few brush strokes to clean the barrel, so no reason to remove the breech plug. Removing the breech plug was suggested reference your troubled barrel, where you performed a heavy amount of aggressive mechanical cleaning through the muzzle end. Was suggesting that if such an aggressive amount of mechanical cleaning was needed, running strokes one direction from the breech end would likely lessen wear on the muzzle end, vs running such a volume of mechanical cleaning strokes two direction through the muzzle. When Remington re-barrels your rifle, hopefully they'll get things squared away. It is a production rifle however, so lemons will get out. Best Be very careful when removing it if required again after shooting. Breaking the nipple off, requires it to be put into a lathe and drilled out. Then an EZ-out with a cheater bar to get the remaining threads out. Hopefully not damaging them. It is not that difficult to remove. It's made of good steel and I don't see the nipple shearing off. Needing it or not, I'll probably remove the breech for routine inspections, and at the least, end of season when I LTI the gun. The system appears fairly simple to stay on top of, so that things don't get out of hand with damage, prior to pulling the breech. I believe Remington did a good job on making it user friendly, yet, fairly maintenance free.
|
|
|
Post by miketodd58 on Jan 9, 2015 16:22:26 GMT -5
Is this basically the same idea as the old Savage 10ML ,except for using black powder substitute? I have one, and I see it as more of an improvement on the old defunct Remington, being more up to speed with the custom Ultimate Rifle, but at a much lower production cost. I don't see it as a Remington take on the smokeless Savage. What I like about this new Remington, over the custom Ultimate Rifle, is the improvements to the breech plug and ignition system. The Remington shoots Blackhorn 209 exceedingly well, whereas the Ultimate Rifle does not, as the Ultimate Rifle breech plug is designed for pellets. In addition, the Remington breech plug is user replaceable and low maintenance. It's near perfection for running the Blackhorn. I'll hear guys claim of getting only a shot or two from each priming case. Don't have a clue what they are doing, but using normal priming techniques, same as I do for loading my center-fire cartridges, I've gone to four reloads so far on one lot of cases, that being a total of five firings, and have yet to see any blow back. I purchased these through Remington in a case lot, and they were markedly cheaper. I believe it worked out to something around $18 bucks per bag, including shipping. So far, that looks like something around 15 cents each for five firings. I intend to sacrifice a breech plug and run my test lot until performance failure to find an average for how many times I can recycle the cases. In addition, will see how far I can abuse the breech plug with leakage to see how it fairs. Long term goal is to determine that average max number, say they go 6, 7, or 8 times or so, and I'll just back off a couple times and use that as maximum case life for my current lot. In addition, if down the road I begin to see the breech plug degrade causing pre-mature blow back, I'll just swap out with a spare. The breech plugs are not expensive and they are user friendly plug and play. Depending on demand, you may find one over the counter at a store for under $800. If you have access to dealer costs, then of course it would be cheaper, again if you can find one. If you desire to shoot Blackhorn 209 with a top shelf ignition system, then this rifle should be on your short list. If you have no desire to shoot Blackhorn 209 and are most interested in shooting smokeless, then maybe you should look elsewhere. Mine is needed for CO elk, so I intent to shoot fixed sights, Blackhorn, and the new Federal "non-sabot" bullet. So far, my rifle is shooting exceedingly well and I believe it to be a good choice. I've been happy running Blackhorn in the 91 grains to 98 grains weight range (130 to 140 grains volume), but a number of guys, including Bob Parker are running 160 grain volume loads with stellar performance out the same rifle. Whenever Western Powder completes their testing and come out with their "Remington Ultimate Only" loads, if they proof Parker's loads as safe, then I would certainly think that would be the bomb for those seeking 400 yard long range performance with a BP Substitute rifle, especially one that is rack grade production, yet shoots near custom rifle accurate. Best Well thought out post. Thank you. My hopes is that we will see more and more people testing the Remington Ultimate with BH209 and start establishing some load development with it. I for one am glad to see someone actually owning one and shooting one that is speaking up rather than someone that is pointing out the flaws in a muzzleloader they haven’t even handled yet let alone shot yet.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 18:29:34 GMT -5
Wow, where are these stainless actions for sale at that price? Ray Contact mcgowen45
|
|
|
Post by k80busa on Jan 11, 2015 19:21:36 GMT -5
I pick mine up in a couple days. From everything ive seen saw far they are very well built production gun !!I also have a savage ml ll ive shot it about 8 years about 200 rds with no problems.kept loads 4759 powder 44 grs. I don't know why the Remington with a better primer system wont do as good or brtter
|
|
|
Post by encore50a on Jan 11, 2015 20:24:00 GMT -5
The owner of the RU I have currently, is sending his back at Remington's request. Remington evidently had a bad run on barrels, of which this owner must have gotten one. The photos of the barrel, before and after cleaning concern Remington, who wants to re-barrel it. Expected wait time is at least 6 weeks for it to be returned. A dealer in St. Johns, MI sent one to Remington in October and it hasn't been returned yet. Owner was not happy about that part but, Remington will handle the issue and he'll end up with a good rifle IMO.
|
|
|
Post by k80busa on Jan 11, 2015 20:48:25 GMT -5
hey encore do you know if he was using black powder only or tring some smokeless ? thanks
|
|
|
Post by encore50a on Jan 12, 2015 8:23:18 GMT -5
hey encore do you know if he was using black powder only or tring some smokeless ? thanks The rifle I was setting up had NEVER BEEN FIRED.
SMOKELESS IS A NO NO for either the RU or UF rifles.
I ran a scope down the barrel before cleaning it out. Never seen a new barrel is such bad condition. It appeared as though there were terrible rust spots and the inside was coated with something that looked like Ziebart had coated it. I've had a lot of new muzzleloaders and never seen such a thing, ever. I decided to clean the barrel anyway, which turned into a chore. I could never get it completely out in the corners of lands/groves. What ever was in there, didn't matter much as the barrel had tooling chatter marks or something almost completely throughout the barrel.
You can review the photos in the other post........ dougsmessageboards.proboards.com/thread/16695/remington-ultimate
The owner of this rifle WILL NOT shoot BH209 from the rifle, part of the agreement of me setting it up for him. Although BH209 will ignite and fire from a RU, it IS NOT recommended by Remington within the manual. The manual states: "WARNING! Only use Black Powder or Black Powder Substitutes such as PROOFED™ or Triple Seven™ in your M700 Ultimate Muzzleloader. Never use modern smokeless gun powder even if it is black in color. The use of any other propellant besides Black Powder or Black Powder Substitutes may cause property damage, personal injury or death."
"Pyrodex and Triple Seven are black powder replicas in powder or pellet form, that are intended for use in percussion type muzzleloading firearms and are the only black powder replicas that are recommended for use in the M700 Ultimate ML rifle."
|
|
|
Post by sgellis on Jan 12, 2015 13:31:42 GMT -5
Not a personal attack, but as a grain of salt for those seeking information.
It now appears evident that you have an agenda to pass misinformation on quite a number of boards reference this rifle. Even when your claims are proven incorrect, which most have, you continue with such repeated misinformed claims.
From the Remington Director of Product Management, John Fink, reference this rifle, THE REMINGTON 700 ULTIMATE WAS DESIGNED AND TESTED TO BE USED WITH BLACKHORN 209, which is the reason they improved the manufacture design of the breech plug from the 300-series stainless steel of the parent Ultimate Firearms muzzleloader, because the original design and intent of that breech plug was to shoot pellets out of the Ultimate Firearm. Western Powders have completed testing the Remington Ultimate with their standard max 120 grain volume loads, and have announced they are currently working with Remington, and hopefully before next hunting season, they will be developing “REMINGTON ULTIMATE ONLY” load data to be published with the higher loads. The current manual WARNS to restrict powder use to Black Powder, or Black Powder Substitutes as PROOFED, or Triple Seven. They are specific to the 200 grain load volume to the Triple Seven, because that load data has been tested and verified safe. The Western Powders Blackhorn 209 is classified as a Black Powder Substitute. There is no telling, at this point, the max load data for the Blackhorn 209, until Western Powders, working with Remington, can complete testing and publish the new “Remington Ultimate Only” load data. I don’t believe they are clairvoyant, so I would not expect to find such data in the current print of the manual.
As for Blackhorn 209. You do not need to convert an inline to smokeless to safely and successfully shoot the Black Powder Substitute, Blackhorn 209. Since Blackhorn 209 hit the shelves in 2008, there have been a countless number of production inlines intended for use with Blackhorn 209, of all makes and models, having 416 Stainless Steel breech plugs, with the majority being of lesser hardness in the 20-30 HRC range, than the max hardness Remington Ultimate, and having lesser sealing ability with varying degrees of blow-back, than the Remington Ultimate, yet they have safely and successfully shot tons upon tons of Blackhorn and millions of rounds, all over this earth, without the damage and destruction you speak. Cheaper Spanish guns with softer steel and poorer designed breech plugs that blow back are shooting Blackhorn 209 daily, yet you habitually preach warnings that the Remington Ultimate cannot, or should not without excessive damage. I’ve personally shot my own little mountain pile of Blackhorn through such lesser inlines. Though the breech plugs were stronger than the plug in your Ultimate, they were softer than the new Remington, and the sky did not fall.
Re-reading your scores of posts on the subject, it is clear that you repeat claims not supported by facts, you read between the lines, and you grasp for innuendo and rumor to support your chicken little sky is falling beliefs and feelings. You and I acquire the same production rifle, at the same time, having the same varnish-like rust inhibitor within the barrel. I am able to clean the bore without excessive effort, identify a few end-user correctible issues, and go on to see excellent performance from the rifle. You on the other hand use engine degreaser and spend a three day marathon damaging the barrel with an insane number of mechanical brush strokes until the rifle must be sent back to Remington to be re-barreled. You have an agenda. That particular barrel may, or may not have a manufacturer defect requiring warranty repair, but if it does, those facts are now clouded because your entire process is suspect. You appear to be the enemy of Remington as that Wakeman guy is the enemy of Ultimate Firearms. Unsure if that is the issue, as you two seem to be having an ongoing domestic that spills over on many boards, but I don’t feel the overall end results are helpful for those trying to weed through such nonsense.
If you dislike the Remington, but love the Ultimate built by your buddy, don’t ignore his advice, use the rifle as he intended it to be used, and showcase his work. Feeling guilty about running Blackhorn against his advice, and then trying to tear down another rifle to bring yours up, is not the route to go. If your intent is to be an “anti-Wakeman”, then don’t hide in the illusion that you are trying to be impartial, come out and be biased against the Remington, but at least use methods to develop provable facts that are not so suspect.
Best, no hard feelings
|
|
|
Post by encore50a on Jan 13, 2015 15:47:39 GMT -5
It appears someone should be re-reading many of my posts and on various forums...... again.
I have absolutely what so ever, nothing against the Remington Ultimate and on the contrary, I hope is succeeds and does very well.
My warnings, any of them, with the shooting of BH209 from a Remington Ultimate rifle, has been based on the FACT that it is not listed in the manual BUT, more so how the breech plug itself can be gas cut. Ask these professional rifle builders right here on this site, if 416 stainless steel will gas cut.
I've never said that either the RU or UF rifles wouldn't shoot BH209 and on the contrary, the UF shot it very well. What I've been questioning along with everyone else, is just how many times the brass can be re-primed prior to gas leaking, which would result in cutting the breech plug. RW states maybe 6 or so times, then someone from Western supposedly stated up to 10 times. At least one shooter has reported gas leaking on his third shot, which means he primed his brass twice. So there's a HUGE unknown out there yet, with different shooters/owners reporting conflicting results. You don't think a prospective purchaser should know about that?
As far as the barrel on the RU that I still have in my possession, it was junk when I started and junk when I stopped. The entire barrel is full of tooling chatter, not the first for Remington by a long shot. You intentionally would like to mislead others into thinking that I used ALL the wrong products to clean the barrel, then ruined the barrel. How about mentioning all the "normal" cleaning products I used first? Remington has the photos of the barrel, Remington says its defective. Shouldn't that be enough?
www.westernpowders.com/montana_x-treme?page=5&product_id=110
Although you state your barrel was in the identical condition and had no problems cleaning it, I at least posted photos of before and after. I would invite you to take a photo inside your barrel, to please show me/us any possible tooling chatter marks, which appear plainly in the barrel I have.
No one, not you, not Remington, knows exactly how long one of their breech plugs will last if the brass is primed to many times and leaks between the brass and nipple. I have always agreed that the 416 should last longer but, I also take the word of the professional rifle builders on this forum, that 416 stainless steel will gas cut. I suggest you read some of the professional builder's comments in the various posts. Maybe its also why Mr. Hankins has RU rifles he's modifying in his shop now? He's the only professional that can comment on that, and use facts.
All owners and prospective buyers should learn everything possible before spending their hard earned cash. Although you appear to want the Remington Ultimate to be the "greatest thing since sliced bread", it has drawbacks that shooters should be aware of. Short of a few barrels being sent back to Remington, this one not the only one, the ignition system and brass casings are critical, rather you'd like shooters to be aware of it or not, they should be informed. If you call that doom and gloom or the sky is falling, so be it but, at least they'll be aware.
So........... for those professional rifle builders on this site, could you please explain to both of us, rather 416 stainless steel can/could gas cut, if the brass cases start leaking gas between it and the nipple?
Although my UF rifle has a high heat 300 series breech plug, and that it isn't as resistant as 416 stainless steel, this is exactly what happens when you re-prime the brass to many times.
I'm not bashing, or at least not attempting to bash the RU, however I am pointing out issues that evidently you'd prefer I not.
No hard feelings.
|
|
|
Post by encore50a on Jan 13, 2015 16:16:04 GMT -5
New update from one rifle which was sent back........
This was a rifle that couldn't hit a 4'x4' (yes that foot) piece of cardboard at 37yds.
Remington sent the dealer back a entirely NEW rifle to replace the one he sent back. Remington DID NOT give an explanation, just replaced the entire rifle.
This can be verified, by the business owner who sold and returned the original to Remington.
If its against forum rules to post the link, moderators please delete the link and I will provide it to anyone through PM that may request.
www.wattsammunition.com/watts-ammunition-welcomes-you/
|
|
|
Post by hankinsrfls on Jan 13, 2015 18:03:30 GMT -5
I would say that 416 stainless or any other metals for that matter will gas cut,, most probably on the very first shot that the brass case fails. Once the first case fails and the nipple gets a small micro gas cut in it, it will continue to leak and the gas cut will get bigger with each shot and ruin the brass priming case on its first shot..
Jeff..
|
|
|
Post by GMB54-120 on Jan 13, 2015 18:23:06 GMT -5
Jeff do you have any plans to make a direct replacement plug for the RU using your LRMP modules? I realize it may need to be head spaced and not a direct drop in replacement. Im not talking about a SML conversion just a smoker using the original barrel. It seems to me that your LRMP system would completely end the BH209 issues.
|
|
|
Post by sgellis on Jan 13, 2015 18:47:07 GMT -5
+1 to that question, (have you, do you, or can you) made/make a breech plug that uses your modules to replace the factory Remington Ultimate breech plug, while keeping the factory 50 caliber barrel for purposes of shooting Blackhorn? If so, any issues with igniting volumes of around 160 grains?? Sounds like a good backup plan if running into issues with the Remington system. Thanks
|
|
|
Post by rkrobson on Jan 13, 2015 18:51:48 GMT -5
Ive had Ultimates for 10 years or so and actually my second rifle fouled cases from the start with Pyro pellets, I had a gunsmith headspace it to eliminate the problem. I didn't know what gas cutting was until I got a Munden 45 and started shooting smokeless, wow! sometimes at 50 shots 300 gr bullet with 68 gr VV120 and cases were ruined. Thats why Iam with the Hankins team now, there may be a better system in the future but Jeff has solved a lot of problems for me with his plugs and primer holders. As to Ultimates and their plugs and cases, the cases themselves will vary up to .015 when seated on plug, this in itself will allow some gases to escape. The picture here shows the difference of .008 just checking 10 cases. You will also notice two different nipples on these two plugs, the one has a tit extension(forgive my french)older plug and the newer plg Ultimate is using.I make my plugs servicable by doing the Petes Plug notches and his tool for removing as you'll break the plug nipple off using the 5/16 socket. I mostly shoot Blackhorn unless its prohibited. Kens been good to me as Ive done a lot of testing with his guns including one 45 Lothar Walther, don't waste your time, too much pressure for his system. There is a new problem that has just come up with the brass, Starline started using a new cup to make the 45 Win Mag cases, and as a result the bases are .030 thicker, a better case overall, but they will not chamber on my older gun as it was headspaced with older cases. ken is sending out some tool to me to modify the nipple. Any Ultimate owners can verify this with Ken. I talked to Starline myself to figure out what was wrong.This would not affect a user for reloading only people who use the case on a system like Ultimates.For those who don't know its a flat plug at chamber end and when it comes to pellets it likes them a lot, I know one guy who has documented every shot and has 2600 rounds with no service to gun. Ray
|
|