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Post by davewolf on Apr 5, 2009 19:26:57 GMT -5
Back to the range today, with temps in the mid-60's and little wind.
I had purchased some TC Shock wave sabots .250 grain--yellow tip, black sabots.
I give you folks all the credit. Since I simply prop the Tradition's Pursuit Pro on a sand bag in an effort to get a better idea how it will preform in the field.
I had no opp to shoot at 25-yards--the benches were full. I shot a 100-yards.
Using Pyrodex pellets--because I didn't get out to get BH 209--and since they were recommended in the manual and because they out-preformed all other preformed powders, in my rifle.
First shot high and to the right--you folks told me it would be, so I didn't make any adjustments. On the second shot I jerked the trigger---figured it would be off the paper, but it was high and dead center. I cleaned the rifle with a spit and dry between each shot. Recommended by many of you!
I used 100-grains or two 50 grain pellets and the next three formed a 2 and 1/2 inch group. The very last shot was dead bull!
You folks mean to tell me that these Shock Waves alone made such a difference?
They sure were tighter fitting than any I've ever used...the only sour note of the day, was the TC range cleaning rod. I almost junked it!
But you folks were with me almost every minute I was there. Any more advice? I'm really pumped!
Have a great day!
Dave
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Post by robnj on Apr 5, 2009 20:07:10 GMT -5
Looking good dave...  Might want to try Harvester 50/45 short black sabots with your Shockwaves. They come smooth sided or crush rib (crush rib load easier), but I get slighly better accuracy with the smooth. After shooting up your pyrodex... try some BH209. |
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Post by younghunter86 on Apr 5, 2009 21:04:43 GMT -5
It could have been the bullets, or it could have been your loading routine or a combination of both. I know I keep recommending things to buy but here is just one more. I promise. It works really well, I have one for my savage, one for BH209 inlines and one for Triple Seven guns. When you're on the range they are worth their weight in gold! www.knightrifles.com/productDetail.aspx?id=324605&DCMP=KAC-froogle&att=324605 |
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Post by robnj on Apr 5, 2009 21:06:46 GMT -5
It could have been the bullets, or it could have been your loading routine or a combination of both. I know I keep recommending things to buy but here is just one more. I promise. It works really well, I have one for my savage, one for BH209 inlines and one for Triple Seven guns. When you're on the range they are worth their weight in gold! www.knightrifles.com/productDetail.aspx?id=324605&DCMP=KAC-froogle&att=324605+1 That one is the best. |
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Post by mshm99 on Apr 5, 2009 23:23:30 GMT -5
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Post by robnj on Apr 6, 2009 13:21:02 GMT -5
mshm...Thanks for the tip and instuctions in the link!  I bet even I can make one of those. Went to Lowes , but they don't have alum. rods. No Home Biggy here, but I'll check at Sears. |
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Post by whyohe on Apr 6, 2009 16:10:36 GMT -5
davewolf, I'm glad it is going good! i know some have found using loose powder has improved accuracy. it is easier to adjust load up and down to find the "sweet spot". when they find the load, some also measure by volume several loads and weigh them and take an average and then weigh their charges to squeeze more accuracy out.
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Post by davewolf on Apr 6, 2009 18:30:47 GMT -5
Thanks guys, I had bought a so-called range rod by TC--but the threads seem to be bad or my adapters for cleaning are, and the handle worked loose twice. I might try the idea of making my own, but then I'm not too handy at such things, or don't have the proper tools.
Bought more of those TC shock waves with black sabots, because they preformed so well, without changing anything else, and because I have about 70 Pyrodex pellets and would rather use than throw away. I did clean between each shot, and clean-up at the end of the day was relatively easy. I still like using hot water in a coffee plastic container with a touch of dish detergent, cleans the bore and the breech plug really fast.
As soon as I find time--I have to make a run to get some BH209. Now, let me ask this, vials (sp) I have some Pioneer powder vials, can I use them and how do you clean them? Don't stop sending me places to buy stuff, but remember too, I have a TC Triumph on lay-away and a Omega Scope on the way. Still need to buy rings and mounts and will probably go with those suggested.
But, I love each suggestion and take them to heart and am appreciative of each and every one!
Kind of makes me laugh some times, how I ever shot four doe with my .45 CVA, pellets and 240-grain PowerBelts. But, I would rather keep at in the best way possible. Really want to do some groundhog hunting with it this year! So keep it coming, because I'm listening and learning!
Thanks,
Have a great day!
Dave
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2009 19:11:59 GMT -5
Hippie..... If you're looking for powder vials Chuck on the smokeless board has got some good ones. I use them and they work great. Zen www.royalcs.com/pics/#vials |
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Apr 6, 2009 19:55:04 GMT -5
I bought a Knight range rod that I love.. Had to find my son one also. They aint easy to find on a shelf..But Now that I have one I would order another if I lost it. Drop
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Post by davewolf on Apr 7, 2009 20:11:20 GMT -5
"It could have been the bullets, or it could have been your loading routine or a combination of both."
Could you explain this in a little more detail. My routine to load is to slide two pellets down the barrel, put the sabot encase bullet with my thumb, start it with a small TC bullet started and then finish pushing it down to the pellets with my ram rod. Is there a different or better way?
Still on that learning curve!
Have a great day!
Dave
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Post by younghunter86 on Apr 7, 2009 22:36:49 GMT -5
"It could have been the bullets, or it could have been your loading routine or a combination of both." Could you explain this in a little more detail. My routine to load is to slide two pellets down the barrel, put the sabot encase bullet with my thumb, start it with a small TC bullet started and then finish pushing it down to the pellets with my ram rod. Is there a different or better way? Still on that learning curve! Have a great day! Dave In your post before I made that comment you mentioned that you cleaned the rifle with a spit patch and a dry patch between each shot. That is what I meant by your loading routine. Additionally you were shooting the 250 gr Shockwaves for the first time, that is the bullets. It's hard to put a finger on what exactly caused the improved groups, in fact it was probably both aspects combined. The swabbing between shots almost certainly helped create a uniform barrel condition prior to loading and firing. This consistency almost certainly lead to better accuracy. Additionally the more you shoot the more consistent you become in everything you do. When shooting a BP sub that leaves a lot of fouling in some guns the cleaning routine between shots can make or break your group. Does that help clarify things? It probably doesn't make any sense, but I can try to clarify if needed. Edited because I can't spell. |
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Post by davewolf on Apr 8, 2009 7:56:45 GMT -5
No, that was a pretty good explanation. I've been trying those clean burning powder subs, and tried to see how well they would perform. Back to the gunky stuff, I decided to clean after every shot rather than every two or three.
My belief at this moment, is that it was the bullet, and the cleaning required with Pyrodex. I really am starting to believe that Pyrodex is the best preformed load, but I wish they could improve on the gunk, and I sure wish that BH209 would produce at the least pre-measured vials.
I won't get to shoot again until this weekend, and will try some experimenting with other powders. Gad. I'm addicted! Heard my scope has been shipped, so I'm in waiting, although the new Triumph is still on lay-away. I'm really anxious to get that thing together and see how well 'she' performs.
Need All the help I can get!
Have a great day!
Dave
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Post by davewolf on Apr 8, 2009 21:57:10 GMT -5
Omega scope arrived today, ordered it Sat afternoon, they notified me it was shipped yesterday, and when I came home tonight it was propped against my door. Sure is great service, now on to rings and mounts and getting that dang Triumph off lay-away.
Highly suggest anyone need a scope take a look see at the Omega!
Thanks folks, now who is going to double their money by making me two of those range rods! ;D
Have a great day!
Dave
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I bet even I can make one of those. 