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Post by jkruger on Apr 5, 2009 19:05:55 GMT -5
What are your experiences with imr 4189. Is it a good choice for deer hunting in the cold weather? Any hangfires , misfires?
Im asking because it's the only powder my ml 2 likes so far after the action bedding job I did on HER...
She does'nt like any book loads of 5744 or n110 w/ 250 xtp's or 300 rems.
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Post by Richard on Apr 5, 2009 19:34:41 GMT -5
It should work OK providing your bullet/sabot fits tight!
Richard
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Post by dougedwards on Apr 5, 2009 19:41:44 GMT -5
I have had misfires with it using 250 grain bullets. It might be a decent candidate for duplex to make it reliable.
Doug
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Post by sincyrman on Apr 5, 2009 20:01:29 GMT -5
Doug,
Any starting reccomendations for duplexing?
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Post by lwh723 on Apr 5, 2009 20:32:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I had hangfires/misfires with it, but I wasn't using a magnum primer. Was using Hornady 300gr 458 and BCR sabots.
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Post by dougedwards on Apr 5, 2009 21:36:42 GMT -5
Doug, Any starting reccomendations for duplexing? 8 grains N110 or IMR4759 under 60 grains IMR4198. You can move up to 10 grains of N110 or 4759 but the purpose here is to insure reliable ignition. The 8 grains of booster should assure that. Doug |
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Post by rbinar on Apr 5, 2009 21:47:13 GMT -5
Doug, Any starting reccomendations for duplexing? Since Imr-4198 has ignition issues rather than pressure issues I'd not duplex it in the traditional way. Rather I'd use a small amount of shot gun powder to insure ignition. And feel free to adjust the load in the normal manner up to a limit. For instance with 250 grain bullets a load of 7 grains of Imr-4756 (not 4759) over any give amount of Imr-4198 would be typical. However you shouldn't have a total of more than 66 to 68 grains. For 300 grain bullets 5 grains of Imr-4756 (again NOT 4759) would work and the maximum load limit would be 65 grains. These loads are not near the pressure limit for the rifle but they change pressure faster than a standard duplex so don't go off the reservation and believe you can add more booster and have a better load |
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Post by rbinar on Apr 6, 2009 2:13:07 GMT -5
8 grains N110 or IMR4759 under 60 grains IMR4198. You can move up to 10 grains of N110 or 4759 but the purpose here is to insure reliable ignition. The 8 grains of booster should assure that. Doug Just because my post appears under Doug's does not mean his load won't work or I have a better idea. In fact when I think about it introducing a new style load may over complicate the need here. Almost everyone has Imr-SR4759 (yes it's 4759 this time) or N110 where a shot powder may be foreign. I was a small bit worried that someone might get carried away but Doug's is a reasonable load. For 250 grain bullets it's ideal. For 300 grain bullet 10/60 is stout recoil and might reach sabot disruption. But you can always roll back. |
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Post by jkruger on Apr 6, 2009 4:39:36 GMT -5
Thanks guys, I haven't tried any duplexes yet , no time like the present.
I noticed that 4198 is a real clean burning powder, unlike 5744 which rivals pure dirt.
Recoil w/4198 was interesting too.
jk
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Post by dougedwards on Apr 6, 2009 6:31:00 GMT -5
Thanks guys, I haven't tried any duplexes yet , no time like the present. I noticed that 4198 is a real clean burning powder, unlike 5744 which rivals pure dirt. Recoil w/4198 was interesting too. jk jk....... with several of the members testifying to misfires with IMR4198 you might want to consider if you would want to use it at all in a 50 caliber muzzleloader. Years ago I paid $20 for a pound of the then recommended book powder IMR4227. I actually had two misfires while using it while at the shooting range. When some others in this board also had experienced misfires with the powder I had to think. Let's see........$500 for a gun, $350 for a scope, $25 for a reloading scale, $50 for bullets......why would I want to continue using this powder when it is possible that it could render all other components useless?? My recommendation is to invest $20 or so in some H4198 or Reloader7 or even H322 or 10x if you want to experiment with duplex. If it goes "click" on me more than once then it becomes my favorite campfire starter. Doug |
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Post by broomebuck on Apr 6, 2009 6:33:42 GMT -5
jkruger i used imr 4198 all season with the 300gr shockwave and the fed 209 primer rcr sabot no problems just when its over 50 degrees i can not go above 66 grains it blows the sabots. i have close to 200 shots through her with this combo and no problems even in the rainy opener in ny good luck
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Post by screwbolts on Apr 6, 2009 6:54:25 GMT -5
I have a recessed Breech Plug and have not had a problem with IMR4198, I was shooting 47 gr. with my 333 gr. HCLFN Win 209, and the Temps were 28* to 34* F this load averaged 1815 FPS. @ 7'. I also like 40+ pounds of pressure to seat the sabot/boolit. :-)
A question for BigMoose, don't you shoot 4198 and do you use a booster? In your .45, have you had your new BP's recessed?
Ken
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Post by edge on Apr 6, 2009 7:08:07 GMT -5
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Post by joe21a on Apr 6, 2009 7:51:02 GMT -5
I shot I-4198 in a 45 cal barrel with 200 gr. bullet and in the 50 cal barrel with a 240 gr bullet, and cci primers. I have never had a misfire. Tight fit and well seated is the way to go.
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Post by tar12 on Apr 6, 2009 9:00:08 GMT -5
What powder were you using that your gun would not shoot the 300 grn rem.?
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Post by Flatland Hunter on Apr 6, 2009 10:59:36 GMT -5
I would recommend RL7 over I-4198. I never had a misfire on the range or my first season using I-4198 but opening day of my 2nd year with the 10MLII and I-4198 I had a misfire on what would would have been my biggest racked buck to date (I know this because my friend got it that afternoon). I went on to have several more misfires in the field before I could switch powders. Never once had one at the bench... switched to RL7 and have never had a misfire even in extreme wet and cold.
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Post by boarhog on Apr 6, 2009 12:02:16 GMT -5
I have H-4198. Does this info on IMR apply to the H?
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Post by jkruger on Apr 6, 2009 16:40:40 GMT -5
Does the RL-7 need a booster?
these are all good points to keep in mind. I didn't think finding an excetptable grouping on paper would be such a chore, but it's a learning experience for sure.
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Post by dougedwards on Apr 6, 2009 18:52:57 GMT -5
I myself have never had a misfire with H4198 and have found it to be a very reliable powder if used in suggested amounts respective of the weight of the projectile used. I really like Reloder7 which is a double based powder containing a small percentage of nitroglycerin to help with ignition in very cold weather. But keep in mind that whether I like or dislike any particular smokeless powder is based on how I might perceive that it works in my particular gun. Someone else might have shot thousands of loads with IMR4198 with no misfires at all.
I just am a bit paranoid about using anything that might hinder ignition when the moment of truth arrives. If my Savage fails to go BOOM at the shooting range then that is one thing but not having confidence that my rifle will shoot when I am shooting at prey would play on my mind. I don't even clean my bore all during hunting season for fear of leaving some residue at or near the breech plug.
But here we are with summer approaching and it couldn't hurt to experiment with any reasonable powder if used per suggestions in the Tips and Hints section of this message board. This is where we can have alot of fun if we allow reason to rule our actions.
You could always experiment with IMR4198 and if you really like how it shoots but not comfortable hunting with it because of possible ignition problems just switch to H4198 and use about two or three grains more to reach approximately same performance level.
Have fun and be safe...........
Doug
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Apr 6, 2009 19:45:22 GMT -5
Shuck's... I bought Imr 4198 by mistake.. Should have been H4198.. Thankful it was only a $20 dollar mistake.. Dont know if I will even pop it open.. Back to the gunshop for some H 4198 in the next week or so. Drop
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Apr 7, 2009 18:01:59 GMT -5
I went by the shop where I bought the imr4198 today..And picked up a jug of the H4198.. He said to bring the IMR 4198 back and he would refund my money. If there is any chance of failure with it I think for peace of mind I will return it. I also found a #2lb jug of VVN110 I think I am going to go get also. Drop
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Post by jims on Apr 7, 2009 22:00:30 GMT -5
12ptdroptine: VN 110 is a good powder to have around, generally it does not hang around too long on the shelf if there are Savage MLs in the area.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Apr 8, 2009 17:47:58 GMT -5
I stopped by tonight and swapped the imr4198 for another jug of H4198..And bit the bullet and took the jug of VVN110 also..A good by @ 46 for 2# of it . I also bought 1000 federal Primer's I hope I got the right one's 209A federal. Drop
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Post by jkruger on Apr 8, 2009 17:58:49 GMT -5
sounds like a good day of shopping to me. gun shops are candy stores.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Apr 8, 2009 18:01:49 GMT -5
yup they are... And I have a weight management problem
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Post by jkruger on Apr 8, 2009 18:06:43 GMT -5
the weight of your wallet?  |
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Post by Richard on Apr 8, 2009 18:15:04 GMT -5
$46.00 is an excellent price for N-110!
Richard
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Post by jims on Apr 8, 2009 18:35:02 GMT -5
I have had good luck with Fed 209As in the past. It is a pretty hot primer.
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Post by dougedwards on Apr 8, 2009 20:32:17 GMT -5
$46.00 is an excellent price for N-110! Richard $36 for one pound in my neck of the woods. Doug |
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Apr 9, 2009 17:25:49 GMT -5
It has probably been on the shelf for quite awhile.. But it is sealed till this weekend. I store all my powder in an aemy surplus ammo can. Is there a better way? Drop
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