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Post by edge on Nov 13, 2010 8:48:32 GMT -5
For a few years I have been toying with building a ML from the Marlin bolt action. I came upon a .40 caliber PacNor barrel, thanks dave d.  I have never handled one but the reviews seemed to make it sound like a worthwhile action. www.longrangehunting.com/articles/marlin-xl7-review-1.phpI like the Accutrigger and the Marlin has their own version. I have been unable to fire this trigger without the center portion fully retracted as you can with the Savage. Here are the initial pictures...let the games begin     edge. |
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Post by jims on Nov 13, 2010 8:50:54 GMT -5
Keep us posted on the progress.
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Post by dave d. on Nov 13, 2010 8:59:39 GMT -5
:)bud looks like it will be a very nice project and I can't wait to here how she shoots.sorry about the wrench and vise Let me know when you need them.
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Post by killitgrillit on Nov 13, 2010 9:52:51 GMT -5
Should be just like building one off of a savage action, keep us posted
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Post by tar12 on Nov 13, 2010 9:55:53 GMT -5
Nice looking rifle. Get on with it already!
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Post by dannoboone on Nov 13, 2010 12:54:06 GMT -5
Hmmm.........and here I was contemplating using a Stevens 200,
which was posted in Build Your Rifle, "Thoughts on New Build".
The MSRP price is better with the Marlin. The trigger HAS to be
better. The butt pad HAS to be better. The forearm on either
stock may need stiffined up. Is the stock on the Marlin as flimsy
as the one on the Stevens?
edge, you mentioned getting a PacNor barrel. Will their threaded
barrel for a Savage/Stevens fit right on a Marlin action?
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Post by bigmoose on Nov 13, 2010 14:25:26 GMT -5
HMMM,
Very interesting, very.
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Post by edge on Nov 13, 2010 15:15:56 GMT -5
SNIP. edge, you mentioned getting a PacNor barrel. Will their threaded barrel for a Savage/Stevens fit right on a Marlin action? The barrel should be interchangable....but I will find out this week for sure ;D The stock seems to be about the same...perhaps fewer seems. edge. |
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Post by Jon on Nov 13, 2010 18:04:01 GMT -5
Edge. I'm rweally looking forwards to your updates.
Jon
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Post by dannoboone on Nov 13, 2010 21:10:40 GMT -5
Why do I have a sneaky suspicion this rifle AIN'T gonna be for
sabotless loads?? ;D ;D
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Post by olegburn on Nov 14, 2010 8:21:20 GMT -5
Will you have barrell nut on it or full sized barrel?
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Post by edge on Nov 14, 2010 10:51:41 GMT -5
Barrel nut as this is a standard PacNor barrel.
Actually this is for sabotless. Since it is a standard PacNor, it has a 1:16 twist which is slower than my current bullet requirements.
The next sabot barrel will have a 1:10 twist for some high BC bullets...but that is way down the line.
edge.
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Post by olegburn on Nov 14, 2010 14:25:05 GMT -5
Why do I have a sneaky suspicion this rifle AIN'T gonna be for sabotless loads?? ;D ;D I'd like to guess: .17 Edge Fireball?  |
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Post by pointman on Nov 14, 2010 20:15:59 GMT -5
Edge,
I won a Marlin Rifle 270 caliber, this past year at a Grouse banquet and would be interested in converting. Besides the barrel what other modifications would need to be made? I am assuming some sort of midifcation for it to hold a breechplug?
Thanks
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Post by dannoboone on Nov 14, 2010 21:22:04 GMT -5
Edge, I won a Marlin Rifle 270 caliber, this past year at a Grouse banquet and would be interested in converting. Besides the barrel what other modifications would need to be made? I am assuming some sort of midifcation for it to hold a breechplug? Thanks If you take a look at the following post, some of the guys gave me some pretty good info. I was contemplating using a Stevens 200, but the more I look around, the better the XS7 sounds: dougsmessageboards.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=build&action=display&thread=6494Done correctly, this could turn into a switch barrel project. If you get the heavier PacNor barrel, the barrel channel in the forearm will need to be opened up. With Pete's breech plug which accepts a .308 head type case and a PacNor barrel which is machined by PacNor to accept said BP, there may be little else to do other than swappin' the barrels. Just let edge go first. He said he'll find out if that PacNor barrel made for a Savage will actually fit the Marlin this week. |
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Post by jeremylong on Nov 17, 2010 12:42:21 GMT -5
Man, I love this stuff. Keep us updated.  |
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Post by edge on Nov 17, 2010 13:23:24 GMT -5
Minor update: I had not checked the barrel and I had assumed it used a Savage Plug, but upon inspection it has a 5/8 - 18 thread x 1.400 deep. Since this is a bolt action rifle I have plenty of strength and want to use a 45 ACP case for priming. 0.250 diameter recess, carbide bushing with approx. 1 inch flame travel. I am turning a new plug after the day shift leaves for the day ( night guy called out ). I should be able to put the Hex on it tomorrow........ Here is my sketch for the BP:  That is all for now. edge. |
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Post by pointman on Nov 17, 2010 15:04:02 GMT -5
Edge,
Sorry about being ignorant about this stuff, but I have a couple of questions. If I get the same type of breech plug as you describe, is it correct that I would have to have a different type of extractor as the gun I won is 270 caliber so that it would pull the 45 cases? Other than the breech plug, different extractor?? and barrel is there anything else I would have to get?
Thanks for your help
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Post by edge on Nov 17, 2010 15:23:06 GMT -5
The .270 has a base diameter of 0.470 the same as the 7mm-08
I have not tried the 45 acp case in the Marlin bolt head yet, but it works fine in the Savage bolt head.
The 45 ACP is 0.478 so if it does not fit then you could sand them down or use a cut down 270 case instead.
I prefer the 45 because the wall thickness is less and I can use a 3/8 hex which does not fit very well in the 308 case...at least not as well.
When I made my first plug for the Savage I used cut down 30-06 cases and made the hex 11/32 to fit inside the 06 case.
edge.
PS I think that Pete makes a plug for a cut down 308 case.
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Post by dave d. on Nov 17, 2010 15:24:13 GMT -5
:)pointman the extractor and boltface should be the same .473. Your going to remove the electors.
:)bud are you going to shooting 209's or lrm? have fun...
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Post by edge on Nov 17, 2010 18:20:48 GMT -5
SNIP. :)bud are you going to shooting 209's or lrm? have fun... I expect a LRM at least to start. If you look at the sketch there is a taper leading into a radius where the case end reaches the threaded section. I assume that there will be some blowby using the LRM so the case will/ should seal on this taper. At least any crud should stay mainly in the case / hex area of the BP. edge. |
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Post by Jon on Nov 17, 2010 18:43:31 GMT -5
Edge. Daved suggested the .243brass which I got. In a week if the Doc. gives me the ok I will try to get out in the shop and cut down some brass it measures about .003 bigger on the diameter than the 45acp so I hope it will fit the plug. The reason for his suggestion was because the thickness where the brass fits between the bolt face and the b/p is more consistent. The 45acp I have measure in the .890 length range so that is what I will start with. I also have to get my press mounted and swedge some bullets.
Jon
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Post by dannoboone on Nov 17, 2010 20:02:00 GMT -5
:)pointman the extractor and boltface should be the same .473. Your going to remove the electors. "Your going to remove the electors." ??  ?? So, does the same BP handle either/or the .45acp and .30-06 and .308 type cut down cases? (dave d, please see pm) |
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Post by johnp034 on Nov 18, 2010 5:11:48 GMT -5
You are correct, Edge. The Marlin trigger acts as a safety, (Glock, Springfield, Ruger pistols all have it). In the event the gun is dropped the trigger cannot function unless the safety (center of trigger) is depressed. The Savage does not have this feature.
I think you will be mildly impressed with the Marlin XL7. I have fired several and the accuracy of the ones I shot was second to none. My Grandson has one in 25-06 that is an absolute tack driver. Also shot one in .270 that was a sub moa gun. Be interesting to see the outcome.
JohnP
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Post by moto357 on Nov 18, 2010 7:48:24 GMT -5
dannoboone, the breech plugs Pete makes will work with either the 45acp or cut down 308, etc cases. have tried both in my plug and either fit, but as other have noted, the rifle cases are a bit thicker and the web inside is a little more consistant
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Post by pposey on Nov 18, 2010 8:37:00 GMT -5
sounds very very interesting
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Post by spaniel on Nov 18, 2010 10:54:15 GMT -5
:)pointman the extractor and boltface should be the same .473. Your going to remove the electors. "Your going to remove the electors." ?? ?? So, does the same BP handle either/or the .45acp and .30-06 and .308 type cut down cases? (dave d, please see pm) I left my ejector in, no problems and easier to use as a switch barrel back to centerfire. |
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Post by Richard on Nov 18, 2010 11:45:30 GMT -5
Edge..............A well thought out project!
Good luck
Richard
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Post by dave d. on Nov 18, 2010 12:03:49 GMT -5
:)the ejector is very simple to remove and it saves you from loseing headspaced brass especially if your hunting from a tree.
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Post by edge on Nov 20, 2010 11:49:47 GMT -5
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