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Post by wilmsmeyer on Mar 14, 2009 7:21:51 GMT -5
The last 2 weeks have been a ton of fun. I posted a few weeks ago that I have dusted off the beautiful gun I bought from Ozark.
There has been a jug a 5744 laying around and a half a jug of 4759. Neither has seen much use for a few years....the 5744...never.
I had a box of 185 gr XTP's that was half full, a wagon load of sabots as well as a box of 250 XTPs. All the real simple stuff.
2 loads. NO tinkering. 30 gr 5744 and 185 gr XTP 38 gr 4759 and 250 XTP
Both are showing to be as accurate as any load I've shot in these guns....and pleasant to shoot. Groups are in the 1 1/2 inch range at 100 yds. No chrony but by the drops I get at 150 and 200 yds show that they are slow. I would guess 1600-1800 fps. The accuracy at 150 and 200 holds up very well....4 inches and under but drop is severe and any wind blows stuff around a lot.
Point of this post is that I have run out of bullets. Going to my gunshop today. It's over an hour away so while I'm there I will stock up on these 2 slugs for summer woodchucks and plinking. Also getting a bunch of powder, Rem 300's, Hornady 325 (flex tips to try), patches.
Good to be shooting a lot again. The light loads are pleasant and accurate.
For those that don't know or remember, this gun has an RB breechplug, 3rd pillar, bedded Boyd's Thumbhole Laminate stock. The accu-trigger that I do not like has not gone "click" in a while. I am very careful to how I squeeze it...still don't like it for combat. The Nikon scope is very clear...more so then my leupolds. A noticable difference is on bright days looking toward the sun. The leupold gets hazy and glary and the Nikon stays very bright and clear. Can not speak for adjustments, in terms of calibration. It is holding a zero well with almost 100 shots in 2 weeks.
With all the fancy shooting going on here lately, I probably just bored the crap out of you guys.
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Post by kevin k on Mar 14, 2009 7:38:19 GMT -5
not at all wilmsmeyer some of us just started shooting these and dont know what we can shoot or not shoot i get board with all the 45 and 40 custom post seems like if your shooting 50 stock you dont belong here mabye there should be two boards that post helped me alot as i was wanting to try new bullets for plinking and lighter loads thanks so much for bringing it out please post more on 50 cal .kevin ps you can also tell most on here are board to answer 50 post any more if you look thru post you can see that and it can be very hard to find stuff on old board
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Mar 14, 2009 7:56:08 GMT -5
One thing I just love about these guns is the ability to shoot the power range of a .44 mag pistol to a .458 Win mag. Accuracy can be had throughout the entire range.
Even in the low ranges that I've been shooting the past few weeks, step back and think about how powerful it still is: A 185 gr bullet at 1600 fps still has more "power" then a +P 45 ACP out to past 200 yds. The 250 gr bullet at 1800 fps is as formidable as the HUGE .454 Casull in a revolver at the muzzle.
Some who like big pistols and heavy bullets (Like a .454 Casull with a hard cast blunt 300 gr bullet) hunt everything on earth at 1500-1600 fps. Many gunwriters always call these guns "extremely powerful" and able to handle "anything". And they can with proper bullets and placement at these speeds.
Imagining an extra 1000 fps and bullets that can handle it is a great way to realize the power these guns have.
Very versatile guns with power at all levels.
To me, the really fast loads I like in my other gun do not help kill deer better...just help hitting them if they are out at the far end of my comfort zone. The power and energy that they carry are only a consequence of the speed I push them...not the goal of the load.
Have fun shootin'
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Post by kevin k on Mar 14, 2009 8:14:01 GMT -5
thank you very much that just told me a lot more than i knew about these guns right there i get tired of looking at old board allthe time as mabye you guys have found some of old stuff is not what youd do now something like if i would of known then what i know now things thanks again wilmsmeyer for these post i eat info up on this gun kevin
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Post by Harley on Mar 14, 2009 9:01:40 GMT -5
Kevin, I think the majority of the Board members shoot the .50, so you should feel comfortable to ask your questions and to post any observations of your own. I don't know whether or not they are in a "slump" as far as answering posts. I post on the .45 because that's what I shoot and the only caliber I know enough about to offer any input.
There has been some discussion about two different forums for different calibers, but I'd hate to see it because there is a great deal of overlap that applies to the Savage in general.
Harley
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Post by jims on Mar 14, 2009 9:07:27 GMT -5
Kevin: I think most of the .50 shooters have either been shooting long enough to be satisfied where they are at and have good suggested powders/bullets/sabots to use so there is not too much discussion in those areas. The shooters using .40s and .45s and other sizes are relatively new and do not have a lot of book loads to go to yet. They are trying, asking and experimenting now, hence more posting activity now especially as the barrels come in. The 50 shooters were in the same boat to some degree a few years back. I hope to post and ask some questions on a barrel I am working on but awaiting components, time and photo experience. Keep asking here, the members and moderators are tops.
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Post by screwbolts on Mar 14, 2009 9:12:53 GMT -5
Kevin K ,
The load of 4759 wilmsmeyer lists with that 250 XTP is very close to what 3 pellets of Pyrodex does!! This is a formidable load and WM"s analogy of the Casull is very accurate, This load is on par with Hot modern gun only 45-70 fodder. I find that a meager 28.5 gr. of SR4759 is the same velocity as 80GrV of BH209 out of my 22" Knight T-Bolt, 32 Gr. SR4759 is egual to 105 grv load of BH209, out of T-Bolt.
I have always hunted before the Smokeless guns with a charge of 85 grv loose Pyrodex and my own cast 370 gr maxi. I would not back away from any thing on this continent with that load.
My dad will be 79 on the 18th, and I just finish setting up a ML10II for him. He will be hunting with my 333 gr Hard cast in a SBH sabot with 32 gr of SR4759 as long as he carries this rifle. He doesn't need a beating just to harvest some deer! That is what I have used also here in CNY.
Ken
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Post by kevin k on Mar 14, 2009 9:13:08 GMT -5
thanks guys for your replys you are a great bunch to learn from you are right i will keep asking it will keep new board going strong thanks all kevin
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Post by screwbolts on Mar 14, 2009 9:17:17 GMT -5
Point of this post is that I have run out of bullets. Going to my gunshop today. It's over an hour away so while I'm there I will stock up on these 2 slugs for summer woodchucks and plinking. Also getting a bunch of powder, Rem 300's, Hornady 325 (flex tips to try), patches. Good to be shooting a lot again. The light loads are pleasant and accurate. Would you like to try some of my Hard Cast, or my 260 gr. cast version of the XTP? ;D ;D Send me your address by PM and I will send you some! Ken
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Post by ozark on Mar 14, 2009 9:17:40 GMT -5
The .50 is the only thing I got to experience and not a lot of that. But I loved to shoot that rifle and it was accurate enough for hunting and had the killing power to anchor deer at reasonable ranges. I just took one deer but couldn't ask for more than it gave. If I would have had the strength to load and use that rifle Wilmsmeyer or no one else would have bought it. No regrets though because adjusting to conditions is all part of life. It please me that Wilms is using it. Ozark
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Post by screwbolts on Mar 14, 2009 9:19:35 GMT -5
Ozark, You have said a lot in that Post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ken
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Post by whyohe on Mar 14, 2009 16:25:37 GMT -5
hey wilms while your out i need some milk, bread , and some lunch meat! LOL glad your getting to get out. im itching too but on my days off it is either raining or i have house work to get done and some times just trying to catch up on lost sleep. i want to get out and expirimnt with the VV-110 i special ordered. kevin k the weather is begining to break and you will see more posting about the .50 as more get to shoot as weather get nicer. if you have a question dont be afraid to ask. we LOVE to help. and dont let Ozark fool you he is a wealth of knowledge. Wilms will help you bruse your shoulder ;D .this is just to mention a couple heheh.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Mar 15, 2009 5:04:38 GMT -5
My gun shop is big. It actually is a wholesaler that supplies other stores and clubs. They have everything......UNTIL lately.
Sales are up 5 fold since Obama won the election. They are OUT of certail powders. They are OUT of many reloading components. They are OUT of many popular, midline .22 Long rifle shells. I could have carried most of there Hornady stock in a big box....before I would have need a few trips with a fork truck. Their shotgun primer shelf is so depleted that I felt lucky to grab 400 Fed209a's. Worst part is that they can not say when replenishment orders will arrive. They had a HUGE $$$ Hornandy order arrive 80% short. Their retail counters look like they are going out of business.
So I walked out with 185 & 200 gr XTP's in .451. NO .451, .452 or .458 300 grainers. Some 4759, H4198 and primers. I was told DO NOT wait till deer season to get stuff for shooting. To stock up now when I find things.
I have been dealing with this store for 20 years, same guys in there as 20 years ago....they are scared of this administration.
GET YOUR STUFF! GET MORE THEN YOU NEED.
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Post by screwbolts on Mar 15, 2009 5:47:57 GMT -5
Are you really surprised, this has been going on since last June, and even before. In the last to 2 years my bothers and I have bought and stored over 60,000 primers. All sizes. I can't begin to tell you how much powder we have. We have more inventory of Store bought bullets than your warehouse did. I have 50 Cal ammo cans of bulk rem. and Win. In every thing from 22 to BMG
The writing has been on the wall for a long time, stock up now you have already waited to long.
Pioneer valley has a few primers listed still in CCI that's about it. the Wolf 209 has been working good for my brother in his ML10II , Pioneer Valley, has some of those in 209 as of last night. They don't offer them as case of 5000's( out of stock) but have single 1000's. I usually only buy buy lots of 5K.
Ken
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Mar 15, 2009 5:59:00 GMT -5
No, I am not surprised. However, these effects are now being seen even at places like the one I mentioned for the first time by me. I do not have the inventories that you do, yet probably more then others for the guns I own. Average Joe is in for some big surprises if A) They decide to get into guns and B) if he wants to grab a little extra for a "rainy day."
Now I know where all the stuff went! ;D ;D ;D If I need anything I guess I'll give YOU a call. ;D
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Post by bigmoose on Mar 15, 2009 7:48:40 GMT -5
Wilmsmeyer, One of the best things about the Savage, in my mind is the flexibility of the system, lots of room for experimenting without a lot of equipment. Good Luck
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Post by DBinNY on Mar 15, 2009 20:46:33 GMT -5
Wilms, glad to see you are having fun with some pretty basic stuff. Lots of folks here are always looking for the latest and greatest but don't forget that the basic stuff is still fun and effective. I'm glad that folks here are trying different things and reporting on them. That's how progress is made. To the newbies who are a little overwhelmed by all of this... I recommend that you start with the basics (i.e., book loads), get a good idea of what your gun will do, and then progress into the higher velocity and more expensive bullet mode if that is what you want to do. Remember that even the most basic loads in the .50 Savage are far superior to shotguns.
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Post by ozark on Mar 15, 2009 21:17:15 GMT -5
I didn't get past the basic loads and for the vast majority I don't think more is needed to use hunting. But, experimenting and change seems to be the trend wien one get into Savage ML. It doesn't need justification because most of us would be pressed to justify half of what we do as a hobby.
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Post by bigmoose on Mar 16, 2009 9:18:41 GMT -5
Ozark,
Words of wisdom
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