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Post by trbuick on Nov 2, 2011 16:52:44 GMT -5
I want to build a .45 caliber smokeless ML. Would anyone have the time to offer the pros and cons of building a .45 that doesn't use sabots as compared to building a .50 that uses sabots with .45 caliber bullets. Thanks for any comments.
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Post by lwh723 on Nov 2, 2011 17:22:24 GMT -5
Just spend some time reading through old posts here. If you're going to build something, most people are very happy with 45's either shooting saboted or sabotless loads.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Nov 2, 2011 17:57:42 GMT -5
You'll be using same bullets at about the same speed. Sabots are more forgiving in getting a gun to shoot.....no sizing issues.
Recoil will be similar if not the same, if you push the same bullet at the same speed.
You will have an easier time playing with different sabots in a .50 then messing with sizing.
However....if you do the .45 sabotless thing, and go all out and do it right, you may not have to worry about barrel cooling as much.
You will use a little less powder to get the same results by shooting .45 sabotless.
With a .45 you can always convert to sabots and shoot .40 cal bullets.
Over-all, the .45 is very versatile....and formidable. So is the .50.
Twist rates for the aftermarket .45 barrels can be had tighter than the stock .50 barrel. That's a plus for sure as it opens the door for longer bullets.
Either option affords many options....
Many here have got the sabotless thing figured out so that ignition and other issues can be dealt with....but you have to do it right for it to work.
Good luck
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Post by fishhawk on Nov 2, 2011 18:39:31 GMT -5
Like wilms said if you build with a .450/.458 barrel you can try both. Many here choose the simple route of saboted 40 cal bullets in the .45. with this you have a reliable 300+ yd gun. Then you can try the sabotless route later. It takes a little more work and practice to get it right.
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Post by michael on Dec 6, 2011 15:59:05 GMT -5
I'm really wanting to try sabotless next year in my 45 pac-nor any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
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Post by jray57 on Dec 7, 2011 12:27:55 GMT -5
I'm really wanting to try sabotless next year in my 45 pac-nor any suggestions would be greatly appreciated start saving for a swinglock adjustable die....smooth if you want to do .451-2 bullets or the full form for .457-8 bullets..... And read up on the older posts |
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Post by guppy on Dec 7, 2011 12:38:51 GMT -5
Just get the Parker bullets, they are pretty close to bore size. Most guys just knurl up a bit and shoot. My McGowen likes them knurled up 0.002" and stuffed in the barrel. Around twenty ponds of loading pressure and sub moa out to 400yds. I Leo can shoot the Barnes or sst's very accurate also out to 300. My next build will be strictly for nekked bullets.
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Post by jray57 on Dec 13, 2011 9:34:57 GMT -5
Un-sized Parker won't go down my Pac!
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Post by edwardamason on Dec 13, 2011 13:22:00 GMT -5
You'll be using same bullets at about the same speed. Sabots are more forgiving in getting a gun to shoot.....no sizing issues. Recoil will be similar if not the same, if you push the same bullet at the same speed. You will have an easier time playing with different sabots in a .50 then messing with sizing. However....if you do the .45 sabotless thing, and go all out and do it right, you may not have to worry about barrel cooling as much. You will use a little less powder to get the same results by shooting .45 sabotless. With a .45 you can always convert to sabots and shoot .40 cal bullets. Over-all, the .45 is very versatile....and formidable. So is the .50. Twist rates for the aftermarket .45 barrels can be had tighter than the stock .50 barrel. That's a plus for sure as it opens the door for longer bullets. Either option affords many options.... Many here have got the sabotless thing figured out so that ignition and other issues can be dealt with....but you have to do it right for it to work. Good luck You have pretty much covered all the pros and cons of the 45 vs 50 debate. Very good job. Your post should be a sticky. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2011 18:31:04 GMT -5
jray, unsized parkers will go down a mcgowen.one of the only advantages over a pacnor...
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Post by lwh723 on Dec 13, 2011 19:39:24 GMT -5
jray, unsized parkers will go down a mcgowen.one of the only advantages over a pacnor... The only one that I can think of!  |
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Post by jray57 on Dec 14, 2011 8:59:36 GMT -5
It's only an advantage if you don't already have a Swinglock  jray, unsized parkers will go down a mcgowen.one of the only advantages over a pacnor... The only one that I can think of! |
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Post by howa on Dec 15, 2011 11:50:51 GMT -5
jray, unsized parkers will go down a mcgowen.one of the only advantages over a pacnor... The only one that I can think of! I can think of another.........price. |
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