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Post by lunchbox on Jul 27, 2011 15:54:57 GMT -5
Im getting a savage 220f and was wondering what kinda scopes I could put on it. Do you have to only use shotgun scopes or can you use rifle scopes?
Thanks
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jul 27, 2011 16:43:10 GMT -5
no you dont have to use a specific shotgun scope. But with the 220 you should not underscope it. 3X9 would be a good choice.be sure to look for a scope with 75 yds of paralax... it is the optimum for slug gun's. I also dont recomend those multi dot reticle's for a slug gun..to mugh going on there. Look at the Nikon Omega with the standard reticle. I have one and love it. Buy good glass ... you will never be sorry.Drop
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Post by lunchbox on Jul 27, 2011 16:57:55 GMT -5
How do you know if it has 75yds of paralax? I was looking at the Nikon and also the vortex but was not sure about them.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jul 27, 2011 18:35:14 GMT -5
You will have to ask the manufacturer that question..Or research it on the net. I do know that the folks who sold me my Nikon said that it is 75 yd parallax. Most other slug gun scopes were 50 yd a a rifle is normally 100 With todays highly accurate slug guns 75 is about perfect ..however 100 isn't out of line. Just might be a little distorted up real close. Again the B/C reticle and whatever they call it.. most of those thing's are load specific and aren't very flexible. And a slug gun is a 150 to 200(tops) yd gun. The NikoPlex reticle is what I have..Unfortunately they are harder to find than the other. My buddy has one of those things on his 300 win mag.. Says he only uses the crosshair's... I tell him to get rid of it off that gun before it cost's him the animal of a lifetime...lol
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Post by youp50 on Jul 27, 2011 18:50:53 GMT -5
Do you think it really matters.. the paralax that is? How far off zero can you be with a 75 yard setting and a 200 yard shot vs a 50 yard setting and a 200 yard shot. I have been many years out of the shotgun slug hunting country, just do not know how much it would matter with a gun that is called very accurate if capable of a consistent 3 inch group at 100 yards.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jul 27, 2011 19:09:12 GMT -5
Don't know myself.... But there must be a reason the scope manufacturer's make them differantly..... Several of my Leupold's have adjustable objectives from zero out to infinity. And since he is buying new ..Why not use the applicable scope..
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Post by cuda on Jul 28, 2011 0:08:33 GMT -5
What ammo are you going to use? I have a Leupold® UltimateSlam™ Muzzleloader Riflescope
•Takes the guesswork out of long-range muzzleloader shots
•Easy-to-use power selector
•SA.B.R. provides ranging and holdover points
•Fully multicoated lens system
The UltimateSlam takes the guesswork out of long-range shots with your black-powder rifle. Instantly adapts in the field with an easy-to-use power selector to provide pinpoint accuracy for whatever charge you need to take down a trophy at distances up to 300 yards. Leupold's advanced Sabot Ballistics Reticle™ (SA.B.R.™) provides ranging and holdover points you can count on at 50, 100, 150, 200, 250 and 300 yards. Each digitally designed aiming point represents a 3" area on your target, providing the perspective you need for a long shot. Fully multicoated lens system provides crisp, razor-sharp pictures, even in low-light conditions. Built to the highest standards for a lifetime of reliable use in the field. Waterproof, shockproof and fogproof. Leupold's Golden Ring Lifetime Warranty.
It also has a setting for shotgun sabot shells for your rifled barrels. I have it on my Savage 10ML-ll and realy like it. A freind has the same scope on his slug gun and he has not missed a deer yet.
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Post by lunchbox on Jul 28, 2011 1:46:20 GMT -5
Not sure what slug I will be using. I'll try different ones and use the best one. Not got the gun yet so will have to wait on tryin it.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Jul 28, 2011 4:57:20 GMT -5
I have a 2 x 7 Leupold VX1 on my Mossberg and it works fine. Not sure about the parallex on it. Being mostly kept on 2 power....I'm not sure it matters. It has held up well to recoil and keeps it POI.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2011 20:02:06 GMT -5
You might have to spend a little more ,but you can get an adjustable objective scope and set it at 75 yds.
I've been seeing some deals on vx111's on ebay ,leupolds lifetime warranty is a good insurance for buying used optics.
Just another option.
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Post by 500cadillac on Aug 3, 2011 21:01:42 GMT -5
Nikon Omega is 100 yard parallax
The Slughunter in 1.65-5 zoom is 75 yard parallax, and the 3-9 is 100 yards. I think the older SLughunters were all 75 yard parallax.
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Post by Richard on Aug 4, 2011 9:42:36 GMT -5
Don't get caught up in the Parallax thing with a "shorter" range rifle/slug gun. Most do not fully understand what parallax is and how its determined and corrected. Your standard rifle scopes which are parallax free from 100 yards out are just fine for most everything except benchrest shooting. Here is a way you can physically see what parallax is and how much it might effect your shots under 100 yards. Take your scope, either on the rifle or off and place it in a stable rest aimed at a target at say.................75, 50 or 25 yards. Without touching the scope or the rifle, look thru it until you get a clear picture of your target.............i.e. no black shadows coming in.......in other words, a full view  NOW, take your head and move it up and down and side to side while watching the crosshairs. Do they move around? If so, how far off your point of aim? The amount they move could be how far your bullet will be off on impact IF your eye is not perfectly centered in the scope. As long as your eye is perfectly centered every shot? Parallax being off is NOT a problem! The problem IS, if your are not centered, your shot could be off a "tiny" bit................or the amount the crosshairs move. With a PA adjustable scope, you can dial that PARALLAX out at any yardage. This is critical for target shooters or tactical shooters when working with various distances. If you have a scope with PA adjustments (the newer side adjustment or the ones on the forward bell) you can easily see how the crosshair movement can be eliminated by adjusting the parallax. Most scopes have "approximate" settings etched in the scope. I don't think you will find enough movement of the crosshairs at yardages under 100 yards that would cause you a miss on a deer. It will also not cause a huge amount of clarity loss either. Just try it and see. I hope this "clears" things up! Richard |
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Post by lunchbox on Aug 4, 2011 15:05:14 GMT -5
Richard,
I am glad you explained it that way. I have a scope or 2 that i noticed that the cross hairs will move like that if I am not centered in the scope. I just never understood why they did that.
Thank you
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Post by Richard on Aug 4, 2011 16:11:45 GMT -5
Don't feel bad, my two shooting partners who are now becoming accomplished long range benchrest shooters, had no idea about it until I gave them the same lecture a year ago ;D Its just not something you think about until you get into the benchrest or accuracy/tactical game and someone else clues you in!
Richard
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Post by rangeball on Aug 5, 2011 15:37:03 GMT -5
Buddy just bought one and topped it with a 3x9x40 nikon buckmaster with BDC. His first 3 shots with 2 3/4 accutips were touching  |
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Post by tar12 on Aug 6, 2011 7:50:27 GMT -5
Lunchbox, Before I became a smokeless junkie all I shot was slug guns. Savages,Tar-Hunts,H&R Ultra slughunters....ect. I went through a lot of inferior scopes during that time trying to save money...  I never cared for anything less than a 3x9x40 as todays slug guns are a far cry from grandads pumkin ball shooter! Buy the best you can afford and do not sweat the parallax as Richard explained to you. For my money nothing beats the 3x9x40 Zeiss Conquest for a slugger. My original 3x9x40 Conquest is residing on my sons 980 Ultra Slughunter in 20 ga. This piece of glass has endured thousands of hard recoiling rounds and tracks perfectly. A true work horse. Good luck with your new slug gun and I will be expecting a full page report! ;D |
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NOW, take your head and move it up and down and side to side while watching the crosshairs. Do they move around? If so, how far off your point of aim? The amount they move could be how far your bullet will be off on impact IF your eye is not perfectly centered in the scope. As long as your eye is perfectly centered every shot? Parallax being off is NOT a problem! The problem IS, if your are not centered, your shot could be off a "tiny" bit................or the amount the crosshairs move. With a PA adjustable scope, you can dial that PARALLAX out at any yardage. This is critical for target shooters or tactical shooters when working with various distances. 
I never cared for anything less than a 3x9x40 as todays slug guns are a far cry from grandads pumkin ball shooter! Buy the best you can afford and do not sweat the parallax as Richard explained to you. For my money nothing beats the 3x9x40 Zeiss Conquest for a slugger. My original 3x9x40 Conquest is residing on my sons 980 Ultra Slughunter in 20 ga. This piece of glass has endured thousands of hard recoiling rounds and tracks perfectly. A true work horse. Good luck with your new slug gun and I will be expecting a full page report! ;D