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Post by youp50 on Jun 26, 2011 8:42:31 GMT -5
Whats the skinny an these scopes? Assembled in America at least.
Several years ago I was able to 'compare' the clarity of the Nikon Monarch, VX-III, and Zeiss Conquest. Not much of a scientific test , but was able to look across a Cabela's store into the dark upper regions of the store and I could make out the knots in the paneling in the Zeiss. Leupold and Nikon were 'knot free'.
A wonderful old Sako has appeared in my closet? She really deserves an optical upgrade.
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Post by jims on Jun 26, 2011 8:49:54 GMT -5
;D The Zeiss was "not free" either but you often get what you pay for and they are indeed excellent scopes.
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Post by billc on Jun 26, 2011 10:56:48 GMT -5
My favorite scope and my first choice for all my centerfire rifles. I can see so much better with a Zeiss. I can also shoot about 10 minutes earlier in the morning and 10 minutes later in the evening.
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Post by dougedwards on Jun 26, 2011 13:57:18 GMT -5
Great choice of scopes but optical quality is in the eye of the beholder. It seems that younger eyes can behold better.
Doug
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Post by tar12 on Jun 26, 2011 14:56:45 GMT -5
Ditto on the Zeiss...they are all I care to use.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Jun 27, 2011 4:57:16 GMT -5
I have some 10X Diafun bino's. Very very crisp and clear.
A buddy has the 8X models. We have a saying at camp....Carl doesn't lie
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2011 17:02:27 GMT -5
Buy one, dont look back...
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Post by youp50 on Jun 28, 2011 18:39:46 GMT -5
I did. Its a good time of year to buy optics. Summer sales and all. 375 to my door.
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Post by boarhog on Jun 29, 2011 0:55:38 GMT -5
Hmmmmm, I've been window shopping for a Z myself. Where did you find it for that price?
Boarhog
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Post by youp50 on Jun 29, 2011 4:24:15 GMT -5
Gunbroker. There are a few there in that range. The fellow I purchased from had an excellent rating. There were some costing slightly less.
Its a good time to buy, I see 3200's and fulfields at the best prices of the year. Shops are dumping year old inventory.
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Post by Rifleman on Jun 29, 2011 16:04:54 GMT -5
You can get some great deals on conquests on Ebay too.
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Post by tar12 on Jul 4, 2011 9:13:52 GMT -5
You can get some great deals on conquests on Ebay too. Elkhunter777 on Ebay is a Zeiss dealer. I have bought 2 from him with no problems. |
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Post by tcmech on Jul 5, 2011 20:39:36 GMT -5
I have a conquest on my howa 300wm. You can't go wrong with the zeiss, it's definitely a step up from my burris ff2 scopes.
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Post by rrb55 on Jul 12, 2011 22:03:00 GMT -5
Is there ever a 'gray market' issue (lack of US warranty) with web-purchased Zeiss Conquests?
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Post by youp50 on Jul 13, 2011 17:58:03 GMT -5
The shop I purchased from is a Zeiss dealer. I expect no problems with the scope. This fellow has almost 1300 positive and zero neutral or negative feedback. I am quite certain he would take care of any problems that could arise.
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Post by Rifleman on Jul 14, 2011 6:36:31 GMT -5
I bought one from Elkhunter 777 on Ebay and blew it ( it had an AO) and Zeiss covered it under warranty.
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Post by rossman40 on Jul 14, 2011 12:18:59 GMT -5
I think Zeiss has learned lessons on marketing from Dave Bushnell and the Japanese. In the Conquest line they offer a lower priced 3-9X40 that can be had for less then $400 for the tightwads but then if you want anything better you pay. The difference in a laser etched reticle doesn't cost $100 for a few more seconds of laser time. True the Conquest is made in the USA but by Meopta not Zeiss. Meopta has became Zeiss's whipping boy much like LOW in Japan. While offering assembly in the US, the Meopta Czech plant has been providing sub assemblies (bodies and lens assemblies for scopes and binos) to the German Zeiss plant for years plus providing lens grinding/polishing. The Meopta plant in NY now makes the Zeiss Conquest line, the Swarovski Z3 line and the Minox ZA 3 and 5. How much of the parts for the Conquest comes from Zeiss is a mystery. Supposedly the lenses are ground by Meopta then shipped to Zeiss for coating and final inspection. Then shipped to the US for assembly. As far the rest of the scope how much comes from Meopta and "other" places is unknown. Swarovski has been using Chinese sub-assemblies for years. The Minox line, from what I understand, is a licensing deal. I do not know if it is between Meopta, Swarovski or Zeiss (you can almost bet Zeiss had a finger in it). But from what I seen the Minoxs are a whole lot of Chinese parts.
Do not get me wrong here guys, the Conquest is a decent scope. great glass for the price that probly sets the standard. I do not think Zeiss would put their name on the line if it wasn't. But for a hard kicker I personally would be leery to use one, at least with a AO. After watching a 4.5-14 fail on a 10ML in less then 10 shots and the two Shooter had go bad I have to wonder. It almost seems I have heard of as many of these failing as 4200 Elites.
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Post by Rifleman on Jul 14, 2011 14:22:50 GMT -5
Rossman the one that failed on me was a 4.5-14 with an AO. It failed in about 25 shots with a 10MLII shooting the 300 gr Barnes/n120 load. The 3.5-10 without the AO held up for me great, I still have it, great scope. I also put a 4200 Elite on a Savage ( it was a lower powered variable 2-7) that has had nothing but the same load through it and it is still trucking along with no loss of zero or any problems. Zeiss did replace the scope with no hassle though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2011 20:56:23 GMT -5
I have given many scopes the Bill test and thus far for a mid priced scope the conquest wins hands down optically with one exception, the 3x12x56 30mm non ao. I did not care for it. I have tried all the other conquest models and the brightness and clarity are exceptional for their price class. as far as being mechanically impressive I cant say other than they seem to track well. so far none have failed me but then again it might happen tomorrow....Bill
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Post by rossman40 on Jul 15, 2011 11:23:26 GMT -5
That's the thing, you can have a failure with any scope from any maker. With the recoil level that we deal with a bad installation will kill any scope IMO. When you get above the $500 mark you should be far above the junk and looking for the features you want. I just have a problem spending $800-900 on a Zeiss Conquest when I can spend $500-600 on say a Clearridge and have more of the features I want like a 30mm tube with side focus and a 5X erector with glass that while may not be as good as the Zeiss, it is pretty close in my eyes. If I had a $1000 to blow on a scope I would probly go Vortex, Weaver or Sightron to get the features I want.
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Post by Rifleman on Jul 15, 2011 15:03:44 GMT -5
I am about sick of scopes. They all blow sooner or later. I have blown so many leupy's they know my address by heart at the repair center in Beaverton Oregon. I was surprised to blow that Zeiss but I did. Blew the 2 most expensive handgun scopes on the market on a Rem XP100R in 7mm-08. I figured next scope I buy might be a Swarovski- certainly it won't blow. Then a little while back a buddy who had a very expensive 300 RUM custom built with a Swarovski called me asking questions as he was having problems. I told him it sounded like a blown scope and he sent it in. Yup it was blown. To their credit, they not only replaced the scope, but they also paid him over $ 500 cash to cover his ammo and other related expense that he incurred diagnosing the problem. Now that blew my mind.
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Post by tar12 on Jul 16, 2011 14:15:54 GMT -5
Is there ever a 'gray market' issue (lack of US warranty) with web-purchased Zeiss Conquests? You can check with Zeiss to see if they are a liscensed dealer. |
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Post by tar12 on Jul 16, 2011 14:25:55 GMT -5
I have 2 of those "tightwad" 3x9x40 Conquests. ;D They have been on everything from slug guns to Smokeless MLs. 1 has over 4000 rounds on it and it has not been a easy life! Personally I have not had one to fail. The only higher end scope I have had fail was a Leupy.The only Zeiss I have heard of failing have been AO models. Zeiss has a unfailing track record with me. Make mine a Zeiss!
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Post by rossman40 on Jul 16, 2011 19:19:56 GMT -5
Simple is sometimes better. You would think they would have figuired out their design at a cheap AO doesn't cut the mustard on heavy kickers. While guys shooting .223s do not have a problem I know of one guy that went thru 2 on a Sendaro 300RUM. I thought the main problem was the Millet rings and mounts that the gun store told him was the best. Anyway he ended up putting a Super Sniper 10X fixed power that he had with Warne rings and one piece mount and hasn't had a problem since.
Of course even 30 years ago if you told someone you were mounting a scope on a .375 H&H Mag or bigger rifle they would have thought you were nuts.
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