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Post by hornet22savage on May 20, 2011 22:10:53 GMT -5
Any opinions on the Burris line of Fullfield scopes. I'm looking to purchase a Fullfield II or a Fullfield E1 for my Knight KRB7. Are they made in America? I see they are a Bretta company. Thanks.
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Post by rossman40 on May 21, 2011 11:18:58 GMT -5
Burris moved production of the Fullfield line to the Philippines years ago. This is the same plant that makes the Nikons and some of the Bushnells and other brands. If any scope is marked "Made in the Philippines" in comes from this plant. This plant is ran by the Japanese optical mafia (Light Optical Works [LOW], Kenko, Hoya, which are the same people who control Nikon sport optics) and in the past had problems. After a big shake-up quality has risen and Nikon moved the production of the Monarchs there (higher end Monarchs like the X and the Gold are still made in Japan).
The E1 looks to be a great mid-priced hunting scope and a improvement over older models. I like the change in turrents and caps plus the reticle is one of the better range compensating ones. Being new there are not too many user reviews and the gun writer articles are worthless to me. When they quote the factory word for word it makes me wonder if they even looked thru the scope.
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Post by hornet22savage on May 21, 2011 19:38:08 GMT -5
Thank you for the replt it is getting very hard now a days to tell what products are made in USA and what products are not. I have a Nikon Prostaff on my shotgun and really wanted a Nikon Monarch for my KRB but having only spent $200 on the gun I can't see spending almost $400 on a scope. What would you recomend for a scope in the $200 range?
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Post by rossman40 on May 21, 2011 20:53:47 GMT -5
This months flyer from Natchez has the Nitrex TR2 2-10X50 with the EBX reticle for $259.95 (the rebate is gone) which is a lot of scope for the money. Your getting high end glass cheap. They still show close-out Bushnell 3200 3-9X40 with a DOA250 reticle for $239.95 which would be a great match for your ML but not a great buy money wise. They also show a Sightron SII 3-9X42 with a plex reticle for $234.99 which is like $100 off regular price. They always have good prices on Nikons, in the class we are talking the Nikon Buckmaster 3-9X40 with a BDC reticle $219.95 which is a step up from your Prostaff. Except for the Nitrex these are all proven hunting scopes by board members.
If you shop around you can get the Fullfield II E1 3X-9X-40mm for around $180. It has a lot of good features at a good price but being a new model I'm just a tad leary. There are quite a few guys using the older Fullfield IIs with no problems on MLs. If you go with one let us know.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on May 22, 2011 7:38:18 GMT -5
I have had great luck with a VX-1 on my ML. Also the VX-II but that is an add'l $100. The VX-1 is about 220-240.
Agent Rossman could probably shed light on where this is made and have a more technical opinion on this line...which may or may not be the same scope today it was 5-6 years ago.
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Post by rossman40 on May 22, 2011 23:02:26 GMT -5
The biggest problem I have with Leupold is they keep making the scopes cheaper but the price doesn't go down. The engineers are doing their thing, more efficient designs that are easier to make. A neighbor down the road has a pretty good collection starting out with the Vari-X IIs from the 70s to recent a VX-II and as far as optical quality they have actually improved even though they switched to Chinese lenses. They lost me when they went to a 3-piece main tube. Leupold riflescopes are assembled in the US but I was told by a rep that if the part wasn't aluminum it wasn't made in the US.
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Post by bigiron on May 23, 2011 10:05:41 GMT -5
I have a FF ll 2-7 and two 3-9 and so far I think they're great. Have had them for about two yrs.,been in the rain,snow,cold and no issues so far.
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Post by rossman40 on May 23, 2011 11:57:34 GMT -5
The quality break to me seems to be around the $200 mark. Your throwing dice at anything lower but the quality of the Vortex Diamondback, Bushnell Trophy XLT, Nikon Prostaff and other scopes in the $100-200 range are improving. While these scopes are great for lower recoil rifles when you get to the recoil level of the big centerfire magnums (including the 10ML) you have to have a tough scope.
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Post by littlejoe on May 23, 2011 19:44:34 GMT -5
I nominate Rossman to moderate an optics forum. I think it may be the only thing missing from Dougs. Anyone second that?
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Post by wayles on May 23, 2011 20:29:03 GMT -5
Hi I own 4 full field II 4.5 to 14 and 2 3 to 9 burris all are the ballistic reticle. The scopes are guarenteed for life and I have had zero problems. Used on muzzleloaders to .300 win mag. Go to ebay rifle scopes and buy them for the right price.
Wayles
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Post by hornet22savage on May 23, 2011 21:04:25 GMT -5
This is all good to know. I can't see spending the money on a Leupold. thet seem so over priced for the quality and there is too much over lap in their model lines. I thought about buying a Sightron because i really want a 42mm objective or a 44mm objective for better light gathering but really don't want to go as big as 50. I was leaning towards a Nikon Monarch but that is a lot of money for a scope for a gun I paid $200 for.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on May 23, 2011 21:08:07 GMT -5
Littlejoe,
You are in luck! Agent Rossman has been on assignment for quite a while as Global Moderator. Money Penny has her hands full with him as he probes every crevice of the shooting world.....optics being only one of his specialties.
R007man....
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Post by hornet22savage on May 26, 2011 19:05:54 GMT -5
I like the idea of having windage on a ballisitc rectical but the more I think about it I'm not sure i would really ever use it on deer sized game. I think any shot long enough for a 10 MPH wind to move the bullet far enough out of the kill zone I would most likely skip. I limit my shots to 200 yds. and under most of the time.
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