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Post by artjr338wm on Feb 25, 2011 16:46:41 GMT -5
I would like to buy some resizing dies for my Barnes all copper ML bullets and more specifically I would like to know the name of and where to buy the adjustable resizing die I have read discussed here. I have no idea who makes them or where to buy them.
Please include all info I will need to know for buying, as I know almost nothing about who makes them or where to buy resizing dies from.
Thanks,
Arthur.
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Post by deadon on Feb 25, 2011 16:53:14 GMT -5
Arthur, IIRC it is made buy the guy who makes the swinglock. Bigmoose has one and Dougedwards bought one of his rifles. Wish I could help more.
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Post by Dave W on Feb 25, 2011 16:59:33 GMT -5
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Post by jray57 on Feb 25, 2011 17:06:29 GMT -5
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Post by Dave W on Feb 25, 2011 18:54:45 GMT -5
The full form die is for .458 bullets in a .458 barrel, referring to a .45 caliber here.
The FF die resizes and cuts the grooves into the bullet to match the barrel lands. A barrel drop is needed to produce this die.
The adjustable smooth die is designed to resize bullets like the .4505 Parkers, .452 XTP's/SST's etc., to obtain land size dimensions or smaller if one wants to knurl for fit. The AS die has approximately .004 of adjustment. IIRC Would not work for resizing .458 bullets down to .450 to be shot sabotless, One or more additional sizing dies would be needed to get a .458 bullet down to a diameter that would fit inside a AS die if one was trying to shoot them sabotless in a .45 cal.
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Post by jray57 on Feb 25, 2011 19:11:20 GMT -5
Is the full form adjustable or does the fact that it is made from a section of your barrel mean that the bullet will be sized properly to fit said barrel?
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Post by Dave W on Feb 25, 2011 19:56:05 GMT -5
Is the full form adjustable or does the fact that it is made from a section of your barrel mean that the bullet will be sized properly to fit said barrel? It is adjustable to cover lot to lot differences in same bullets as well as allow use of different bullets. Not all bullets size the same. The barrels may have variances also, some barrels are held to tighter tolerances than others. Go to the members list (page 45) and click on swinglock(Tom is a member here) and read his posts. Most are devoted to Q & A concerning the dies and resizing. |
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Post by artjr338wm on Feb 27, 2011 12:22:39 GMT -5
OK, it seams a adjustable sizing die is more expensive than I am willing to pay, I was caught off guard on that one.
So if I am not going to buy a adjustable where do I by standard non-adjustable re-sizing dies? and how do I determine what size I need to buy?
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Post by bigmoose on Feb 27, 2011 12:48:53 GMT -5
If you are buying die's for shooting sabotless, Lee Die's are very good, Sabotlees makes it easy you buy a die[ in the case of .45 cal.That is smaller than the size you need and then knurl to your barrel, once you get it down pat, its very fast
For my .45 I have a .449, and a .450, I also have a C&H die, that was a gift from Brother Rick, I no longer use it.
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Post by GMB54-120 on Feb 27, 2011 13:08:41 GMT -5
I hope your luck with Lee is better than mine. Ive been trying for almost 3 weeks to talk to them about a custom .449 and .450 sizing die but i can never get to talk to a person. The phone just rings and then hangs up. They also state it needs to be paid in advance and may take 6 weeks to 3 months for you to receive it. Well its really hard to pay for it if you cant get someone to take your order. www.leeprecision.com/cgi/faq/index.cgiI wish swinglock still offered the old 7/8th threaded sizing dies. The email i got from him implied he no longer offers them. He only wanted to talk about the new adjustable die which i don't need for that price. |
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Post by Dave W on Feb 27, 2011 18:05:20 GMT -5
C H Tool & Die sells the type that fits a reloading press. www.ch4d.com/ |
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Post by Dave W on Feb 27, 2011 18:13:37 GMT -5
OK, it seams a adjustable sizing die is more expensive than I am willing to pay, I was caught off guard on that one. So if I am not going to buy a adjustable where do I by standard non-adjustable re-sizing dies? and how do I determine what size I need to buy? You can get a .452 or .454 Lee die from Midsouth. www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/department.asp?dept=RELOADING&dept2=LEAD%20BULLET%20CASTING&dept3=SIZING%20DIES&dept4=LEEI don't use a check die to finish off knurled bullets. Rexxer or one of the other guys may be able to tell you if there is any springback with knurled all coppers after running them through a check die. |
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Post by GMB54-120 on Feb 27, 2011 20:06:33 GMT -5
C H Tool & Die sells the type that fits a reloading press. www.ch4d.com/Thank you, its a bit expensive but exactly what i wanted. I already have several Lee sizing dies but the one i need now is custom order only unless i want to buy a complete Lyman setup. |
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Post by artjr338wm on Feb 28, 2011 12:21:10 GMT -5
OK, this post has been a definite learning curve for me.
I now know I should have been far more detailed and specific in my request for information. How can I expect anyone to give me the information I need if they first do not know or fully understand what it is I am asking?
These are the bullets I have, how I am shooting them, and what I wish to do:
<>Barnes 100% copper 250 & 290 grain TMZs and 245 grain Spit Fires.
<>Knurled up to .4534-.4545" OD
<>All shot with sabots
<>Shot out of a .50 caliber 10ML-II stainless/Lam
I have determined that I get superb accuracy if I have a specific knurled OD shot with one of the three sabots I have that work with boat tailed bullets. Each sabot prefers a different OD achieved through knurling.
I wish to:
1st knurl the bullet up to a larger than needed OD, then using a resizing die size it down to the OD I want and at the same time give me a exact and consistently same OD as is possible.
To accomplish this I will need a 1-ton arbor press from most likely Harbor Freight, and a sizing die from a company like (I'm guessing here) Lee, RCBS or Lyman.
Now I need to know how does one go about determining what size resizing die or dies they need, or do i just talk that over with a CR rep from the die company.
I hope now I have made it clear what I need help with, sorry about not doing so in the first place, but like I said I know little about this.
Thanks for all the help so far,
Arthur.
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Post by TGinPA on Mar 3, 2011 15:34:48 GMT -5
FWIW: Following their online ordering instructions, I ordered a custom resizing die (.447in.) from Lee Precision, Inc 2w wks ago ($35 including shipping). I received it today.
TG
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Post by jray57 on Mar 4, 2011 17:03:48 GMT -5
FWIW: Following their online ordering instructions, I ordered a custom resizing die (.447in.) from Lee Precision, Inc 2w wks ago ($35 including shipping). I received it today.
TG
Is this the size die one would use to resize .452 bullets to shoot in a .45?
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Post by TGinPA on Mar 4, 2011 17:55:53 GMT -5
Each barrel is a bit different, as are the bullets that you are resizing. Some bullets need more resizing than others because they seem to "spring back" after being resized. A bullet resized through a .448 die may end up measuring .4485. .447 is probably too much resizing for most PN45 barrels. In my barrel, which I believe is very tight, a .448 die has been most useful. But that may not be true for other barrels or bullets. That is one major advantage to an adjustable die.
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