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Post by 153 on Feb 23, 2009 8:42:24 GMT -5
I may have found another 200 yard load for my gun.42 gr N110,BCR,300 gr Hornady 4500.Shot two groups @ 200 yards.First group was 4 shots @1.5" and second group was four shots @5.8" with three shots going into 1.9".I not sure how the fourth hole came about as I did not call a flyer or feel any difference in loading pressure.Still seven out of eight shots under 2" at 200 yards is good for me.I hope the 4500 has termainl performance close to the 300XTP.This is about how the BO shot in my gun,but I did not like the terminal performace of the BO.   |
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Post by olegburn on Feb 23, 2009 9:14:18 GMT -5
Nice group!
At 200 yards shooting 300 gr. whatever you shoot you'll likely to see pass thru's as bullet will slow down.
Expansion-one never knows,but,it is at least .458" in diameter hole! ;D
Soft bullets like Hornady will expand some I'm sure.
Found one in dirt behind doe couple years back after pass thru-perfect mushroom.
olegburn
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Post by Harley on Feb 23, 2009 10:23:46 GMT -5
I've been recommending the #4500 for a long time. 57 gns N120, orange sabot and CCI Magnum primer. Less than .50" at 100 yards, good DRT performance. This was when I shot .50; I don't remember the MV any more.
Harley
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Post by cumminscowboy on Feb 23, 2009 10:49:14 GMT -5
BTW what is a BO I hear it mentioned here all the time
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Post by lwh723 on Feb 23, 2009 10:53:21 GMT -5
I shot or watched a total of 3 deer get shot with the HRN HP out of my 10ML this year. Deer 1) ~45 yards high lung hit. It ran maybe 50 yards. Plenty of damage (15 year old brother's first deer). Deer 2) 195 yards in the neck (no bone) right in front of the shoulders. Blew out the arteries in the throat nice expansion for the yardarge (brother's second deer. Do we have age classes for the longest shot? Move over Edge & Harley.  ) Deer 3) 115 yards. Hard quartering away. Found bullet under skin in off shoulder. Mushroomed very nicely. As I recall, it still weighed around ~270 grains. Lots of carnage. I'm used to seeing a lot of gore from 12g barnes expanders and partition golds, and this was worse than anything I've seen from them. In short, I don't think expansion will be an issue. Oh, I was shooting a load that should have been around 2350-2400 FPS. LWH |
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Post by lc on Feb 23, 2009 10:57:16 GMT -5
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Post by tar12 on Feb 23, 2009 11:57:10 GMT -5
BTW what is a BO I hear it mentioned here all the time It is on the left..the streamlined race horse! ;DBefore you get your feathers ruffled, almost all 300 grn bullets will do this at 200 yds.If you do not plan on anything beyond 200,save your pennies(quarters! ;D) and shoot the Rems,XTPs ect.Great group BTW!I bet they put the smack down on them like 300 grn XTPs!   |
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Post by olsmokey on Feb 23, 2009 19:43:22 GMT -5
Been shooting the 300 gr. 4500 Hor. for the last couple yrs. Same bullet in 450 Marlin. Haven't had to track one yet. Mid-Way had these on sale 11 bucks a box.
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Post by dougedwards on Feb 23, 2009 19:56:29 GMT -5
153.....what is the trajectory like with this load? Are you sighted in at 200 yards? Even though I suspect that load was very slow it doesn't show very much drift. I will take slow and accurate anyday especially with a 300 grain projectile. Hope to see more targets like this.
Doug
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Post by Richard on Feb 23, 2009 20:06:43 GMT -5
153............Your question as to why that shot went out of the group? You could not explain it? Everything felt the same? This is life as it happens with these ML's. This is the reason why I always stress shooting a minimum of 5 shot groups! Three shots are just "OK." A rough idea of what the load/gun is doing. The science world would laugh at a three shot group/sample for a quantitative analysis of what your gun/load was capable of. Just suppose that shot that went out of the groups was fired at a buck 200 yards away under field conditions and your aim was less than perfect. It could have wound up being a miss or a cripple rather than a kill. If on the other hand, your load keep ALL shots in 2 to 3 moa, then you would still be in the kill. The fact is, as good as these Savages are with the factory barrel, they will throw shots for unknown reason. Whether its the barrel or the bullet/sabot or a combination of both.
I do agree, that your gun/load appears to be very good!
Richard
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Post by 153 on Feb 23, 2009 22:16:33 GMT -5
Richard I agree with you about three shot groups,five shots is much better.Without a barrel cooler and shooting smokeless with sabots a five shot group would take minimum one hour.This is why if this load does not work out I will be going to a 45 sabotless.Did not put this in origanal post but the lone flyer was the second shot.As time permits I will shoot this load several more times and check results at 200 yards.On the same day I shoot my 243 and 270,two five shot groups each all less than 2.5" at 200 yards so I don't thing the flyer was me,as most of the time I can call a bad shot on my end.Doug I was sighted in about 2.5" high at 100 yards and as you can see at 200 yards this lowad averaged about 5.5 low.MV on this load is about 2135fps.Richard sorry to hear about your bad luck with your 45,I was planning on watching what you did with your 45,as you always post both good and bad.The 45 may be more up front cost but seems as if in the long run would be cheaper if it shoots good groups to 200 yards without all those Savage Flyers.
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Post by DBinNY on Feb 23, 2009 22:21:45 GMT -5
It kinda depends on what you want to do. If you are hunting deer and you always put the first two shots in the same hole, right where you expect them to hit then you are most definitely in business. 10 or 20 2 shot groups that are tight and have the same POI should make any statistician, scientist or deer hunter smile. If it's always the third shot that's off then I'd look at heat or perhaps the shooter is getting punch drunk. If it's not the third shot, I'd start looking for a new load.
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Post by Chris Champion on Feb 24, 2009 8:53:18 GMT -5
In regards to the trajectory of the HP 4500 I've shot several groups of these side by side with the BO's at 2400 fps. With the BO sighted in at +3" @ 100 yds the Hornady 4500 hits about +2". At 200 the BO is zeroed and the Hornady 4500 is about -3"
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