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Post by slipperhead on Dec 24, 2010 0:56:09 GMT -5
I've been absorbing all of the ML conversion discussions for the Encore, REM 700ML and REM 700CF and hope to begin my own project soon.
The 45 cal barrels seem to be the most popular choice for a conversion, especially shooting 40 cal bullets.
However in my state, Virginia, we are allowed to use .357 bullets from a 45 cal barrel. I see that MMP makes a sabot for this combination.
I can't really find much on this subject so....which would you think would be preferable through a .45 barrel; .357 or .40 cal bullets? Has anyone done any experimenting with .357?
Here is what the state of VA says on this topic:
•Only muzzleloading firearms, .45 caliber or larger, loaded from the muzzle of the gun.
•Muzzleloading firearms must be single shot, capable of firing only a single bullet or saboted bullet (.38 caliber or larger).
Thanks in advance,
Garland in VA
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Post by mike3132 on Dec 24, 2010 1:01:20 GMT -5
The more bore size you can keep the projectile the more proficient or accurate the gun seems to shoot. We encountered this with trying to shoot .40 caliber bullets in the .50 caliber barrels. Too much plastic seems to be a no-no in smokeless muzzle loading. Mike
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Post by GMB54-120 on Dec 24, 2010 1:06:29 GMT -5
Even using subs, its hard to get good groups with any 45x357. It can be done but its not easy. I shoot some very reduced BH209 loads with the 9mm 147gr XTP with the MMP sabot and its ok. Nothing to brag about though. A 1-20 twist 45 and the PR orange 45x357 sabot with a 35cal 180-200gr and BH209 isnt too bad if your lucky.  |
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Post by dave d. on Dec 24, 2010 6:58:53 GMT -5
 I've tried to use those sabots with the .358's and they just drill right threw the bottom of the sabots. Like scott mentioned you would have to push them very litely and that point you would be better off with .40's.
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Post by Slufoot on Dec 24, 2010 8:10:24 GMT -5
Ditto what Mike and Dave said.
My experience with them has been the same.
GOOD SHOOTING!
Slufoot
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Post by screwbolts on Dec 24, 2010 9:55:44 GMT -5
However in my state, Virginia, we are allowed to use .357 bullets from a 45 cal barrel. I see that MMP makes a sabot for this combination. I can't really find much on this subject so....which would you think would be preferable through a .45 barrel; .357 or .40 cal bullets? Has anyone done any experimenting with .357? Here is what the state of VA says on this topic: •Only muzzleloading firearms, .45 caliber or larger, loaded from the muzzle of the gun. •Muzzleloading firearms must be single shot, capable of firing only a single bullet or saboted bullet (.38 caliber or larger). Thanks in advance, Garland in VA Garland, as I read your quoted Regs, The .357/.358 bullet is NOT LEGAL to use. The Regs clearly state, .38 , .38 is not the same as .358/.357. There are infact .38 calibers. I believe it is written in such a way to not allow .357/.358/.360 /.366 bullets. Check with your officials, but to use a smaller than .38 projectiles are not allowed according to you quote. Ken |
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Post by slipperhead on Dec 24, 2010 12:21:23 GMT -5
Ok, sounds like too much plastic in the .45/.357 for any kind of decent performance! That's what is great about this board! Most everything has been tried before.
Ken, you are technically correct! But since .357 dia bullets are often marketed as .38s, I was assuming a .357 would be legal (for deer and bear). Thanks for pointing this out.....it would be worth consulting our Fish&Game Dept. They are generally very reasonable folks to deal with on the phone or in their office.
I might be interested in a smallbore project. Does anyone make .40/.357 sabots? I'm sure a number of .357 bullet offerings could be used effectively sabotless too.
Merry Christmas! I hope your shopping is done!!!
Garland in VA
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Post by chuck41 on Dec 24, 2010 12:31:27 GMT -5
Ok, sounds like too much plastic in the .45/.357 for any kind of decent performance! That's what is great about this board! Most everything has been tried before. Ken, you are technically correct! But since .357 dia bullets are often marketed as .38s, I was assuming a .357 would be legal (for deer and bear). Thanks for pointing this out.....it would be worth consulting our Fish&Game Dept. They are generally very reasonable folks to deal with on the phone or in their office. I might be interested in a smallbore project. Does anyone make .40/.357 sabots? I'm sure a number of .357 bullet offerings could be used effectively sabotless too. Merry Christmas! I hope your shopping is done!!! Garland in VA I can't imagine a game officer would try to make a distinction on this. If you buy a 38 special revolver it is called a 38 caliber and shoots a .357" diameter bullet. I can't imagine an officer carrying mikes or calipers to the woods with him. They have too many other things to enforce that that. Unfortunately, for you its likely kinda moot. To get reasonable accuracy from a .45 you would have to drop the velocity so much that it would probably not be a very good load for deer, at least compared to what you can get from using a .400" bullet. I just wish somebody would make some 40/357 sabots. Now those would just be great for me! |
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Post by dave d. on Dec 24, 2010 12:45:24 GMT -5
:)our beloved rb was working on those sabots before his sudden passing. Boy I miss him so much...
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Post by ronc on Dec 24, 2010 15:32:49 GMT -5
Anyone know where RB was at on the 40 cal - .358 sabot project? Any chance someone else could take it on and see if it is do-able?
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Post by dannoboone on Dec 24, 2010 20:40:55 GMT -5
:)our beloved rb was working on those sabots before his sudden passing. Boy I miss him so much... +1  |
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Post by muzzyl on Nov 22, 2022 2:27:29 GMT -5
CVA Accura LR-X .45cal bore Hornady HP / XTP Caliber : 38 Cal. .357" Sectional density : .202 Ballistic coefficient : .230 (G1) Caliber : 10mm .400" Sectional density : .179 Ballistic coefficient : .199 (G1) MMP SABOTS : Recommended Bullet List mmpsabots.com/recommended-bullet-list/Could work with 38 caliber bullets. But, whats the worst that could happen... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2022 12:55:33 GMT -5
I have always shot my sml 45 knight with10 mm .400 at 180 grains and 57 grains h4198 with hlbs and they work great out to at least 200 yds.
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Post by GMB54-120 on Nov 22, 2022 13:02:39 GMT -5
CVA Accura LR-X .45cal bore Hornady HP / XTP Caliber : 38 Cal. .357" Sectional density : .202 Ballistic coefficient : .230 (G1) Caliber : 10mm .400" Sectional density : .179 Ballistic coefficient : .199 (G1) MMP SABOTS : Recommended Bullet List mmpsabots.com/recommended-bullet-list/Could work with 38 caliber bullets. But, whats the worst that could happen... I can tell you the MMP blue 45x357 is very short. A 9mm 147gr fits and thats about it. The sabot you want IF you were to try this is the PR Bullet 45x357 made for duplex sabots. Its orange, longer and the flat base is thicker. Add a poly wad between the flat base sabot and the powder. Use something easy on sabots like Reloder7. This is basically what Del (RIP) at MMP did with his NULA 45. He shot the PR flat based sabot with a wad all the time using the PR Bullet Dead Center. The other thing is those sabots are listed as 45x357 but its more like 45x355. I would suggest a 350 Legend 170 gr bullet if you wanted to experiment or have Fury make you up some 180-200s in .355. |
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I've tried to use those sabots with the .358's and they just drill right threw the bottom of the sabots. Like scott mentioned you would have to push them very litely and that point you would be better off with .40's. 
