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Post by grouse on Feb 22, 2009 0:18:44 GMT -5
I need to shoot some 40/50 200grn bullets out of my Savage. What powder do you think would be good? I was thinking 46 to 48grns of 4759. And maybe 65 to 70grns of N120? I was also thinking 46 to 48grns of N110? Am i on track or not? Any help would be appreciated. I never shot this small of a bullet out of a smokeless ML.
I did shoot alot of 250grn bullets with 65grns of N120 very accurate load. Recoil was pretty stoubt but very accurate. I think RB gave me this load but not sure.
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Post by rbinar on Feb 22, 2009 2:43:08 GMT -5
I need to shoot some 40/50 200grn bullets out of my Savage. What powder do you think would be good? I was thinking 46 to 48grns of 4759. And maybe 65 to 70grns of N120? I was also thinking 46 to 48grns of N110? Am i on track or not? Any help would be appreciated. I never shot this small of a bullet out of a smokeless ML. I did shoot alot of 250grn bullets with 65grns of N120 very accurate load. Recoil was pretty stoubt but very accurate. I think RB gave me this load but not sure. Tom Those loads will work if the sabot is very tough. However as the speed of a 200 grain 40 caliber is increased the stress on the sabot is likely to cause drilling. If the bullet happens to be larger caliber then I don't see a problem except finding a sabot fit tight enough to ensure ignition. If you have trouble with accuracy find the sabots. Drilled sabots look like no other and you will know instantly if this is a problem. |
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Post by Al on Feb 22, 2009 4:36:48 GMT -5
RB, will a wool or hard nitro card wad under those sabots help at all?
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Post by mike.dawson on Feb 22, 2009 6:41:25 GMT -5
Not going to happen with any kind of speed, I have tried N120, 5744, 2400. The only thing that did not drill sabots was BH209 with up to 140 gr by volume. The sabots stay together with way reduced loads but try and push them to speed and they drill I tried WW on top of the powder, sub bases, 28ga. shot bases, same thing drill. If you find something that works there are a lot that would like to know as the barnes 195 gr. would be a fine bullet. Also tried with both mmp and harvester sabots, no luck.
Mike
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Post by fowlplay on Feb 22, 2009 9:08:11 GMT -5
Has anybody tried a MMP Subase glued to the bottom of the sabot? It might stop the drilling. Just guessing.
Steve
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Post by rexxer on Feb 22, 2009 9:17:22 GMT -5
grouse- I agree with mike that alot of peolple would like to shoot the lighter bullets. It seems that most people have not had much luck getting them to shoot. I do think Chuck might of had some luck before he bought his .40. Was the Knight you were shooting on the other board a .45 or .50? Those .400 were some very nice shooting. I think this would be a good project for you grouse and good luck!
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Post by rbinar on Feb 22, 2009 16:03:17 GMT -5
RB, will a wool or hard nitro card wad under those sabots help at all? Anything will help but not much. Look at my answer to the question about sub bases for more. |
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Post by rbinar on Feb 22, 2009 16:10:47 GMT -5
Has anybody tried a MMP Subase glued to the bottom of the sabot? It might stop the drilling. Just guessing. Steve Steve would you think they would look something like these?  I've tried more than a few ways to get them to shoot with the accuracy required for range. Why do you think so many people are converting to 45 caliber? Though these sabots work to some extent the accuracy is what I'd call good day accurate. On a good day they're as good as any, on a bad day they're not. If you want to shoot the 200 grain 40 caliber bullets, the best way is a good 45 or 40 caliber barrel. |
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Post by rbinar on Feb 22, 2009 16:14:22 GMT -5
Not going to happen with any kind of speed, I have tried N120, 5744, 2400. The only thing that did not drill sabots was BH209 with up to 140 gr by volume. The sabots stay together with way reduced loads but try and push them to speed and they drill I tried WW on top of the powder, sub bases, 28ga. shot bases, same thing drill. If you find something that works there are a lot that would like to know as the barnes 195 gr. would be a fine bullet. Also tried with both mmp and harvester sabots, no luck. Mike Mike I found what works. A good 45 or 40 caliber barrel will shoot this bullet to 2800+fps and many report accuracy at range.. long range. |
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Post by fowlplay on Feb 22, 2009 17:11:56 GMT -5
Has anybody tried a MMP Subase glued to the bottom of the sabot? It might stop the drilling. Just guessing. Steve Steve would you think they would look something like these? Thanks Rick, nice picture but the subase would be on the harvester sabots for they may be the stronger sabot.  Clayman (who used to post here) got the Barnes 195g bullets to fly good out of his 50. He even killed a nice 10 pointer with this load. I hope he reads this and post his combo. If not a nice pacnor barrel will fit the bill as Rick pointed out. ;D Steve |
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Post by joe21a on Feb 22, 2009 17:33:04 GMT -5
I had much better luck getting the Hornady 45 cal (.451. in 200 gr HP/XTP ) to shoot in my 50 cal. If I remember right the speed was 2500 FPS. I would have to dig out paper work to tell you any more.
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Post by herman on Feb 22, 2009 19:25:34 GMT -5
Last summer I tried some 200 sst's with 69 grs of 120 and a wool sub base and it looked promiseing but never went back and tried any more.Didn't find any blowed sabots.
I want to try the 452 ,200 gr when they come out to see how they do in the savage.
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Post by grouse on Feb 22, 2009 21:50:50 GMT -5
Thanks guys. Saturday is going to be a long day. |
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Post by savagebrother on Feb 23, 2009 12:42:40 GMT -5
you have to put a steel or aluminum washer under the bullet inside of a .40 trimmed sabot if you want to shoot 200 .40 cal. in a .50. this keeps the sabot from pushing by the bullet. accuracy was ok but its a pain to trim washers to fit the bottom of the .45 cal outer sabot.
sb
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Post by grouse on Feb 23, 2009 22:38:20 GMT -5
you have to put a steel or aluminum washer under the bullet inside of a .40 trimmed sabot if you want to shoot 200 .40 cal. in a .50. this keeps the sabot from pushing by the bullet. accuracy was ok but its a pain to trim washers to fit the bottom of the .45 cal outer sabot. sb Is a picture to much to ask ;D |
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Post by Al on Feb 24, 2009 3:02:21 GMT -5
you have to put a steel or aluminum washer under the bullet inside of a .40 trimmed sabot if you want to shoot 200 .40 cal. in a .50. this keeps the sabot from pushing by the bullet. accuracy was ok but its a pain to trim washers to fit the bottom of the .45 cal outer sabot. sb Back in the "beginning days" there were some post on the "flying hardware store" which consisted of using washers, etc. EDGE........was that you shooting that load?  |
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Post by redpep on Feb 24, 2009 7:51:16 GMT -5
Any chance of installing a "trimmed" .45 cal 1/16" fiberwad in the sabot base than the bullet
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Post by smokeeter on Feb 24, 2009 7:57:55 GMT -5
you have to put a steel or aluminum washer under the bullet inside of a .40 trimmed sabot if you want to shoot 200 .40 cal. in a .50. this keeps the sabot from pushing by the bullet. accuracy was ok but its a pain to trim washers to fit the bottom of the .45 cal outer sabot. sb Is a picture to much to ask ;D I punch them out of aluminum siding stock with a die I made, but I'm sure you could use some .40 cal gas checks  |
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Post by broomebuck on Feb 24, 2009 8:04:16 GMT -5
anyone ever try a trimmed wad under the bullet in the sabot just thinking out loud
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Post by Chris Champion on Feb 24, 2009 8:45:36 GMT -5
I recall that Rifleman tried the 200 SST out of his 50 with a glued MMP sub base on the bottom of the sabot like the pic that RB posted. IIRC he said that plastic fouling became a problem and a PIA to clean after about 5 or 6 shots.
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Post by grouse on Feb 26, 2009 23:17:23 GMT -5
Does the sub-base need glued on or just drop it down the barrel?
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Post by chuck41 on Feb 27, 2009 13:30:15 GMT -5
I had good results with 38 to 41.5 gr of 4758 behind a Blue MMP high pressure 50/40 sabot. Did not use any wads, but a fiber wad probably wouldn't hurt. Got 1 1/4" 100yd groups pretty consistently with 200gr XTPs. Also had almost as good a result with 180grs bullets as well. I did not try heavier loads and never had a drilled sabot. Unfortunately this was before I got my chrony so have no measured velocities. I suspect around 2200, but really don't know.
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