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Post by 161 on Nov 21, 2010 18:26:22 GMT -5
I think I spelled it right. Anybody know anything about them. A guy wants to sell me a Billy Dixon model in 45-70. I know who Billy is but nothing about the Company other than it's Italian. And a third the price of a Shiloh Sharps without a two year wait. Warren
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Post by tar12 on Nov 21, 2010 21:18:35 GMT -5
While I know nothing about the particular model you speak of I have seen other examples of Pedersoli firearms.The fit and finish and quality was there. Very nice looking firearms.
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Post by tdillinger on Nov 21, 2010 21:43:27 GMT -5
i thought that Sharps was a ammo company back when. Like Sharps and hart who worked with Norma. My schultz ans Larson used a Sharps and hart 7.62.
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Post by 161 on Nov 22, 2010 9:05:53 GMT -5
www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,3110.html The one for sale has the globe front sight and a tang rear along with the regular rear sight you see in the picture. Don't know if I'll get it or not but it sure is pretty. Tanks Warren
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Post by tar12 on Nov 22, 2010 19:31:00 GMT -5
Well Warren,you aint taking it with you and you only live once so get it! ;D There you have someones permission!
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Post by 161 on Nov 22, 2010 19:40:31 GMT -5
Thanks tar I'll pass that on to the wife. ;D ;D I always said it's easier to seek forgiveness than it is permission. Warren
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Post by Al on Nov 22, 2010 20:06:32 GMT -5
Thanks tar I'll pass that on to the wife. ;D ;D I always said it's easier to seek forgiveness than it is permission. Warren good one
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Post by rossman40 on Nov 23, 2010 19:02:46 GMT -5
The thing with the Italian companies like Pedersoli, Uberti and Chiappa is the better the fit and finish the more you pay. Chiappa just put their US office about a mile from my house
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Post by 161 on Nov 23, 2010 19:30:47 GMT -5
rossman Does your post mean their OK, or just another foreign knock off? Thanks Warren
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Post by rossman40 on Dec 6, 2010 11:10:30 GMT -5
You have to watch in that that they are reproductions so they are not always made with say 4140 chrome moly barrels and the precision that modern CNC machines can give. They cater more to the reenactor group or the collector who care more about the rifles being more historically correct. Some models are the same design but with modern metals and manufacturing so they are far more accurate. With the Cowboy Shooting craze in the US and even Europe you are starting to see big differences. They will make one model of say a 1858 Remington pistol for the reenactor and another for SASS competition. A quick look they look the same but under a close inspection the competition model isn't the 1858 your great-great grandad might have used. It is like comparing a original 1858 to a Ruger New Army. And of course there is about a $500 or more difference in price. With the Pedersoli Sharps you have the run of the mill models and then you have serious competition models that will have Lothar Walther barrels and they sure didn't make barrels like that in 1874.
That model your looking at isn't a cheap one and if your getting it for less then a grand your getting a pretty good deal because with the fall of the dollar getting one today is probly close to $2K.
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Post by 161 on Dec 7, 2010 20:54:13 GMT -5
rossman I got the gun 200 rnds loaded 405 cast bullets all the front sight inserts a set of 45-70 dies and another sight. The sight I haven't seen yet so I'm not sure what it is. $950.00 didn't think I got hurt to bad. Thanks Warren
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Post by rossman40 on Dec 8, 2010 9:46:14 GMT -5
Any Sharps guy will point out that Billy didn't use a 45-70 for his shot at Adobe Walls but a 50-90 but that is minor.
There used to be some long range shoots that are sometimes sponsored by BPCR or SASS clubs. I attended one a few times near Bainbridge, OH and it was called a "Quigly down under" match. Shots out to 1000yds on steel silhouettes. To make it more challenging they moved the firing position to where your shots had angles from -30° to +15°. I just went to look at the guns. A lot of Sharps, Browning high walls and Remington rolling blocks, some even the real McCoys.
With 300gr bullets the recoil isn't as bad and a pretty flat shooter out to 300yds compared to the 400 and 500gr loads that are pretty much a lob at longer ranges. When you measure your hold over in feet that is a lob. A 300gr bullet loaded at trapdoor levels a 10 or 12 year old can handle
It seems that after the Quigly movie came out everyone had to have a big Sharps and then the used rifle market got flooded with them when people lost interest in the art form or found out there is some skill required to shooting them at long range.
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Post by 10ga on Dec 9, 2010 12:07:13 GMT -5
As per rossmans post, the guns shoot way better than the "operator". As per usual misses are "operator error" not equipmant malfunction. At our club "operator error" cost $3 a pop if you don't bring something to bag. So you figure what that cost if you're shooting them high priced, $20+ a box of 5 sabot slugs, and miss 3 shots. OUCH! That's $7 a shot and no deer to boot. 10
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Post by screwbolts on Dec 22, 2010 17:08:26 GMT -5
I have had the pleasure of shooting the Billy Dixon Model, also a plain 45/70 and a similar rifle to the Dixon in 45/120. My neighbor has 3 of them. Have you by any chance looked up their website, and checked there different product lines? www.davide-pedersoli.com/?item=CategorieFucili&lang=enThere are many black powder record held today with a Pedersoli rifle. I believe they are one of the oldest gun makers in the world. Ken
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Post by 161 on Dec 23, 2010 20:36:27 GMT -5
Screwbolts I haven't shot it much just enough to know it shoots better than I do. Got it late in the fall and then the weather changed and deer season opened. I'm looking forward to giving it a work out this spring. It's a beautiful rifle. Although I have no practical need for it. But it look good in the safe. Warren
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Post by rossman40 on Dec 31, 2010 12:31:03 GMT -5
With the "True Grit" movie being remade there maybe a rash of calvary models sold, if guys expect accuracy from a 20" barrel. You seen a lot of long barrels sold after "Quigley Down Under". My favorite Sharps movie was Burt Lancaster in "Valdez Is Coming".
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Post by ourway77 on Jan 1, 2011 13:24:51 GMT -5
I have always had a hankerin' to buy one but just never have I enough coin when I see a deal. From what I know and have seen of the pedersoli sharps they make a fine reproduction of the rifles of days gone by. One of the club members has a 45-70 and at 200 yards with open sights he shoots 2" groups. I have shot it and didn't do quite as good but hit the pie plate consistently. I feel you got a decent price none of the sharps come cheap. Good Luck Now if I had kens coin I would have one LOL lou
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Post by nsb on Jan 14, 2011 17:05:54 GMT -5
Pedersoli makes outstanding quality rifles. Italy is like any other country in the world, they have quality manufacturers and poor quality manufacturers. Don't paint them all with the same brush. Pedersoli doesn't cut any corners and they stand behind what they sell. I have the Creedmoor 2 which is very close to the Billy Dixon and Quigley models for all practical purposes. It will easily shoot 1" groups at 100 yards with iron sights. The wood is unbelievable as well as the fit and finish. The double set triggers break at a very clean 8 oz of pull. I took it out deer hunting this year and killed a nice buck and a doe with it and neither took one step after being hit. FYI, the Remington 405grain factory load recoils way less than any of the 300 grain factory loads and is closer to the actual power of the original load "way back when".
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