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Post by Harley on Feb 17, 2009 19:07:54 GMT -5
I don't know if this is of any interest to anyone, but after breaking my Leupold Vari-X III, 6.5-20x40 E.F.T. while shooting the Savage long range (maybe a coincidence, maybe not), I called Leupold today. They will repair it no charge, of course. The interesting part was that, for a fee, they will replace the standard duplex reticle with the Varmint Hunter reticle. This is a bullet drop compensating reticle that will most likely enable me to shoot at 500 yards. So, I packed it up and am looking forward to its return.
Also, after consulting with Richard, I've ordered a B-Square 1-piece scope base for the Savage. I'll shim it at the rear as an improvised MOA riser. That, with the new reticle, should allow more range than I could ever use.
Harley
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Post by onecardchuck on Feb 17, 2009 20:28:30 GMT -5
Why the one piece scope base versus a two piece?
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Post by rossman40 on Feb 17, 2009 21:34:28 GMT -5
I hate to tell you this but unless the started making the B-Square out of steel it is a POS. They even list it as SS but it is just brushed aluminum. They also say aircraft quality aluminum but it must be from the pop cans taken out of the trash at the airport. Honestly, I put one on my 112 and after one range session I took it off and threw it in the trash.
I wouldn't shim a one-piece unless you plan on bedding the mount to get the right contact on the front. You can get a Farrell or a Warne with 20MOA added.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2009 22:37:52 GMT -5
onecard, one big advantage to the one piece is scope position, much more adjustability. If I can ever afford a nightforce the farrel will be sitting under it........Bill
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Post by Harley on Feb 17, 2009 23:19:37 GMT -5
OneCardChuck, if you shim one end of a 2-piece mount, then tighten your scope rings, you are introducing strain on the scope tube. the 1-piece mount avoids that.
Rossman40, I know the B-Square is aluminum. I also know how expensive a Farrell is. Yesterday, when I ordered the B-Square, I was thinking I would probably only use it once to shoot at 500 yards, then junk it. Since your comment about your experience, and with the new Varmint Hunter reticle, maybe I'll just junk it without using it.
Harley
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Post by rossman40 on Feb 18, 2009 0:01:23 GMT -5
Harley, I was shooting some 190gr SMKs that were fairly hot in 30-06 and it seemed my groups kept getting larger and larger. I kept having to tighten the scope up and the mount just kept deforming. I think a 10ML would toast one pretty fast. Do you have a Accutrigger model? I have a EGW picatinny for a pre-Accutrigger but it lacks the full width cross slots.
Savage has a good deal on Farrell mounts ($55) and so does SSS ($62). For a Warne Tacticle you can shop around and get one in the $80 range. I like the Farrell because it is higher and gives you good access to the primer.
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Post by Harley on Feb 18, 2009 0:21:57 GMT -5
Thanks, Rossman40; when eventually I get it, I'm going to mount my scope on the standard Warne 2-piece base, then take it to the range. I'll plan to zero it at 100 yards, then see if I can run the elevation up to the point that my ballistics program says will reach 500 yards. With the Varmint Hunter reticle, it might happen. If it doesn't, I'll want the Farrell 20 MOA. Do you happen to have (and I've no doubt you do) the number of the model that fits the 10MLII with Accu-trigger?
Harley
P.S.: If, like me, you're in the Eastern time zone, what are you doing up so late?
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Post by rossman40 on Feb 18, 2009 0:54:07 GMT -5
Somebody has to stay up and stoke the woodstove. I'll be heading to bed here shortly. Richard just got a Farrell from Savage for his and maybe he could tell you. Should be something like SAV-RTS-1-20
SAV for Savage
RTS for Round Top Short
1 for steel or C is for aluminum
the last number is MOA slant 0, 10, 15, 20 or 30
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Post by ewc on Feb 18, 2009 7:27:17 GMT -5
Harley-
While your scope is at Leupold have them add an M1 elevation dial. I added both for my .40 set-up, but the windage holdovers are better with the VH reticle than the B&C (which is on mine).
This will allow you a reasonable zero (1 or 200). Then you just range and spin the dial. In theory, my scope has enough adjustment to go to about 8-900 without the need for an elevated base.
-Judd
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Post by onecardchuck on Feb 18, 2009 8:41:16 GMT -5
hillbill and harley,
Thanks for the info on the one piece versus two. I seem to learn something new everyday on here. Rossman as usual you are a wealth of knowledge.
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Post by rexxer on Feb 18, 2009 10:02:15 GMT -5
rossman40-I hate to tell you this but unless the started making the B-Square out of steel it is a POS. They even list it as SS but it is just brushed aluminum. They also say aircraft quality aluminum but it must be from the pop cans taken out of the trash at the airport.
Not only is rossman full of knowledge, he's a riot too! That there is just plain funny!
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Post by Harley on Feb 19, 2009 10:05:01 GMT -5
Well, Rossman40, you've cost me money. I received my B-Square 1-piece base this morning. It looks nice, but it's definitely lightweight aluminum. I would use it only on a rim-fire .22. Cost: $6+, S&H $12. Lesson learned: Priceless.
I'm pretty much convinced the Varmint Hunter reticle will reach to 500 yards, so I'm not ordering a 20 MOA base until my scope is returned from Leupold and I try it.
Harley
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Post by edge on Feb 19, 2009 12:16:42 GMT -5
I have the Leatherwood 1-Piece Max-Tac Tactical Picatinny base on my ML.
It was on sale at midway when I got it for about $60 regularly about $75
Mine came with a shim so you could use it flat instead of canted, but I don't remember if it was 10 or 20 MOA.
edge.
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