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Post by alphaburnt on Feb 20, 2011 1:04:26 GMT -5
If everything is being quoted right to me, should be $140 in savings.
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Post by alphaburnt on Feb 20, 2011 1:59:41 GMT -5
Also, what would be the downfall/disadvantage of using the factory Remington contour? Measuring mine, at the lug it is 1.178", tapering to .852"- 6" from the recoil lug and .852" at the muzzle. Barrel is 22 1/4" long from rec. lug to muzzle.
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Post by fishhawk on Feb 20, 2011 10:21:32 GMT -5
Alphaburnt, this is my opinion. The Pacnors that have been bulged that I'm aware of were .45 cal #7 contours on Savages. They were bulged in spots within the first 5" inches. These barrels are about 1" for the first 5". No one has told me yet, and I have asked, at what diameter would these barrel have burst. To maintain the level of safety we've had with the Pacnors, I fee we need to keep the barrel at or very near this 1" for the first 5" . The factory 700ML contour drops below 1" at only 2'5" from the lug. It's the next 2.5" that needs some help, again, my opinion. The contour I proposed to savage-barrels.com does this and stays within the limits of the factory syn. stock with some sanding in the first 5-6" of the channel. Until someone can prove a double loaded factory contour can withstand a double load without bursting, I'm avoiding it. Many think they could never double load, the ones that have double loaded used to be in the first group but now know it can happen. I'm trying to keep someone from getting hurt over a few ounces of barrel weight and some sanding. I think it's a no-brainer copromise!
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Post by Savage Shooter on Feb 20, 2011 10:36:27 GMT -5
Alphaburnt, this is my opinion. The Pacnors that have been bulged that I'm aware of were .45 cal #7 contours on Savages. They were bulged in spots within the first 5" inches. These barrels are about 1" for the first 5". No one has told me yet, and I have asked, at what diameter would these barrel have burst. To maintain the level of safety we've had with the Pacnors, I fee we need to keep the barrel at or very near this 1" for the first 5" . The factory 700ML contour drops below 1" at only 2'5" from the lug. It's the next 2.5" that needs some help, again, my opinion. The contour I proposed to savage-barrels.com does this and stays within the limits of the factory syn. stock with some sanding in the first 5-6" of the channel. Until someone can prove a double loaded factory contour can withstand a double load without bursting, I'm avoiding it. Many think they could never double load, the ones that have double loaded used to be in the first group but now know it can happen. I'm trying to keep someone from getting hurt over a few ounces of barrel weight and some sanding. I think it's a no-brainer copromise! Well said!
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Post by alphaburnt on Feb 20, 2011 13:23:30 GMT -5
So, to be safe, we would like to extend the straight portion next to the recoil lug to put more steel in place of combustion- factory contour seems to taper from the shoulder of the barrel immediately.
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Post by jims on Feb 20, 2011 14:40:55 GMT -5
If there is that much savings one could almost get the fluting for "free" so to speak.
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Post by hoz on Feb 20, 2011 14:45:11 GMT -5
I think fluting ran arround $120, so it would be better than free.
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Post by fishhawk on Feb 20, 2011 16:21:26 GMT -5
So, to be safe, we would like to extend the straight portion next to the recoil lug to put more steel in place of combustion- factory contour seems to taper from the shoulder of the barrel immediately. Yes, exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 17:41:08 GMT -5
a quote from Penny at pacnor was 510.00 for a ss 26" 11 degree crown with the contour I mentioned earlier/ fluted and blasted
the price John quoted me for the same barrel along with blasting the action, assembling and headspacing was 360.00 ea for two barrels.......that my friends is a DEAL
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Post by dannoboone on Feb 20, 2011 20:37:14 GMT -5
the price John quoted me for the same barrel along with blasting the action, assembling and headspacing was 360.00 ea for two barrels.......that my friends is a DEAL Let's hope so. Let's hope these barrels we are getting are at least close to the accuracy we are getting with the PacNor's. Many of us are getting way less than MOA with our PN's. I'm hoping for at least MOA with my McGowen barrel. But if we can only get 2 or even 1 1/2MOA, ya KNOW we'll get hit with, "Well, ya get what ya pay for!"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 22:06:43 GMT -5
I will expect way less than moa from my barrel and John was told that up front. just like my savage I will do everything in my power to make these things as good as possible and expect the same from my barrels. John assured me that their barrels are as good as pacnors, we will see shortly. I will send them off as soon as i get the bolt nose kits installed......Bill
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Post by mike.dawson on Feb 21, 2011 16:39:01 GMT -5
Spoke to McGowen, I have been dealing directly with them and not savage-barrels, as they do the machine work for savage-barrels. My barrel is complete and out for lapping; maybe next week
Mike
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Post by hoz on Feb 21, 2011 17:50:07 GMT -5
Mike,
What contour did you go with? Keep us posted please
Thanks
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Post by mike.dawson on Feb 21, 2011 18:05:35 GMT -5
Pac Nor #7, as soon as I get it photos will be posted
Mike
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Post by jims on Feb 21, 2011 21:37:39 GMT -5
What twist and give us photos of the groups it shoots later.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2011 21:50:22 GMT -5
yep I am very curious myself....Bill
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Post by mike.dawson on Feb 22, 2011 6:49:16 GMT -5
1:22 8 groove, 26in flutted, 11degree crown, chrome molly as it will black ice coated
Mike
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Post by guppy on Feb 23, 2011 20:26:16 GMT -5
Just got my new barrel. I'm going to take it in tomorrow and thread it for a bp and crown it. Give me a few days I will get it bedded and try and shoot it. I got the Savage varmit #2 contour. It is almost the same as my original bbl. I had a ML-BP II from Cabelas. The measurments for the two bbls. are as follows at five inch increments from the breech end. Old bbl. -- 5"----10"----15"----20"----25" ------- 1.182"-0.963"-0.920"-0.880"-0.843" new bbl. --------1.190"-1.117"-0.945"-0.875"-0.810" Hope this comes out. I cant wait to get shooting. Oh ya. It's purty too. I might have to polish the rest of the gun instead of a bead blast finish. See ya in a bit, Kevin
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Post by jims on Feb 23, 2011 20:29:55 GMT -5
Keep us posted.
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Post by guppy on Feb 23, 2011 20:47:12 GMT -5
Just looked and thought I had a 1-22'' 6 groove but I see it is an 8 groove now. I'll check out the twist tomorrow at work and see if I got the new 1-22"-8.
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Post by fishhawk on Feb 25, 2011 17:53:13 GMT -5
OK guys, I just talked with Dan that runs McGowan and Zack his head machinist. They came to the conclusion that they needed to see all the pieces of the 700ml conversion to measure and store the specs in their computers. They are now aware of safety concerns with unsafe contours and getting the pressure area past the lug. They asked me for all the pieces I could provide, so Monday I am sending them an action with Hunters bolt kit, a Callahan .186 lug, a new hex head Savage breechplug, and a spent 209 primer. This will give them everything they need to get the dimensions locked in. We discussed under-headspacing so we can just order a DMB barrel and headspace it ourselves by filing the primer pocket end of the breechplug. The goal here is, example: I order a DMB#1, 25" matte stainless, 1in22twist, 8 groove, 6 flutes, chamfered muzzle, 11 degree target crown. Besides the obvious listed options I am getting a barrel that uses a Savage breechplug, a .186 lug, hunters bolt nose kit, is under-headspaced, and is contoured to the dimensions I listed in reply #79 on this thread which should not burst if double loaded, and will fit a 700ml stock with some barrel channel sanding. The Hunters bolt, Savage plug, .186 lug, and under-headspacing is what we get with a Pacnor DD 700ml barrel. They will contact me when they have got it all figured out. Any questions?
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Post by fishhawk on Feb 25, 2011 18:12:01 GMT -5
I just checked my e-mail and McGowan named two contours for us the DMB #1 will be 1.20" dia. for 3" then go from the 1.20" to .950" dia. within the next 3" in a taper similar to Pacnors sporters, then it will go down in a straight taper to .800" at the muzzle. The DMB#2 will be the contour Hillbill used in reply#136, It will be 1.20" for the first 3" then a straight taper from there to a .800 muzzle. A 25" #1 should weigh just under 4 lbs; A 25" #2 should weigh just over 4lbs. Both will fit the 700ml stock with sanding. Sorry hillbill that they named your contour the #2!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 20:07:20 GMT -5
I am usually last in line so #2 sounds good..... I am waiting on backorder lugs from midway, when they come the three little piggies will be off to Mcgowan....Bill
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 20:36:45 GMT -5
been doing some weighing on the new builds
rem 700 action w trigger/bolt/ lug/ bottom metal/w screws/savage breech plug= 2lb 8oz Mcgowan barrel/ hopefully 4lb @26" with 8 flutes axiom stock 2lb 9oz bedding- 4 0zs farrell base-8 0z (guess) leupold lever rings-5 ozs leupold 3.5x10x50 vxIII 15 ozs ______ 11 lbs + still no light weight these are real world figures, we will see how close they turn out...Bill
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Post by alphaburnt on Feb 25, 2011 21:34:14 GMT -5
I just ordered a Callahan .200 tapered lug. Will this throw them off on the barrel making/headspacing? (.200 was all they had left)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 22:06:13 GMT -5
they say the .186s are due in monday, either way I will have to wait as I already have one .186...bill
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Post by fishhawk on Feb 25, 2011 22:50:39 GMT -5
I just ordered a Callahan .200 tapered lug. Will this throw them off on the barrel making/headspacing? (.200 was all they had left) With everything I'm setting up with savage-barrels.com and McGowan a .200 lug probably won't work with a DMB barrel. The headspacing is being setup to be a little tight with the .186 so we can file the primer pocket to set the headspacing ourselves. the .200 may be too loose to start with. Part of the intention of the DMB barrels is so we can order a barrel and have it sent to us. No sending them an action, bolt, lug for fitting. If you want a DMB barrel, I would change my order and wait on the backorder while your barrel is being made. Hillbill said Monday, hope it's that soon. If you want to send them all your parts for fitting they will probably build it, but I warned them of the dangers with going thicker on the lug and exposing the shoulder to high pressure. But .014 isn't that much. With what I discussed with them a barrel with the shoulder for a .200 lug won't be a DMB it will be a one-off custom.
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Post by alphaburnt on Feb 26, 2011 2:02:45 GMT -5
I had planned on sending them my action anyhow, .014 is really not a whole lot now that I think about it. It is a little more than 1/72 of an inch!
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Post by alphaburnt on Feb 26, 2011 2:26:57 GMT -5
I just measured it, .200 thick on the nose, everywhere I measured. From bottom of lug surface to barrel hole is .585", bottom width is 1.085" (tapered). The part the barrel goes through is 1.063". If the barrel is 1.2"- how is this going to work? Are they cut down that much for threads?
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Post by cuda on Feb 26, 2011 3:15:35 GMT -5
Has anyone used the savage barrel 45 cal barrel yet and how well did it shoot? And what was the final cost for all of it BP barrel recoil lug and fitting if it was done too. I just bought a Stevens 200 I might make it a 45 cal if the price is right to get it done. I might just have my recoil lug reground flat and reuse it.
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