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Post by deadeye on Jun 6, 2010 22:00:11 GMT -5
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Post by Harley on Jun 7, 2010 8:23:51 GMT -5
Deadeye, you are not ruffling my feathers. In fact, I wish we had more threads that make us think of new and different ways to do things more effectively. I haven't experienced the same problems with the loop that you report. 1. I tie the upper D-loop knot to the right, then tie the lower knot to the left; I've had no twist of the loop. 2. Maybe I'm not experienced enough (good enough) to tell, but the addition of the D-loop did not require me to shorten my draw length, so there's no decrease in speed. 3. The Q.A.D. short-eared nocks have a very small diameter that aids in clearance inside the loop nocks. 4. I've used the eliminator button in the distant past and remember it creeping up to pinch the nock; also didn't like the idea of having to press the bow and remove the string in order to change the button when it eventually cracked. Although I have given mine to Russell and haven't looked for a replacement, the double jawed caliper release (Gator Jaws) solved every problem - you could precisely determine the space allocated for the nock, absolutely no pinch and no need ever to press the bow. This was not a "trendy" release, though, and it never caught on. The important thing is you've found the answer that works for you. Harley
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Post by Harley on Jun 7, 2010 9:00:45 GMT -5
D#@!? it, I just cost myself money. After my last post I idly Googled for the Gator Jaws release; they are hard to find; a half dozen sites listed them as unavailable, so naturally I decided I had to have one. I finally found them at www.bowhunterssuperstore.com and ordered TWO. Besides spending the money, I now have a Scott Li'l Goose and D-loop pliers I don't need. Oh, well, got to give the economy a jump start. Harley
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Post by deadeye on Jun 7, 2010 9:04:25 GMT -5
yes great conversation , if a d loop is the ones that are made out of cord & wrapped as you say,unless it is something different my point if removed will gain approx 1/2'' of string draw length by putting the release jaws directly on the string, im awaiting a new set of 29'' cams to replace the current 28'' ones because of my loop removal. im expecting 10-15fps faster(hopefully). i have had problems with the loop slightly turning on the serving after a few shots,tried tightening,glue etc. note on #4,i like you do not like the eliminator looking at a pinch but our findings by a few here is where we get the best arrow flight(go figure). so we slide approx 4 buttons,1 in use with 3 more down below for standby just in case,if one cracks just slide one up. its been 15years since i bought something new for archery & what a change!
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Post by Harley on Jun 7, 2010 9:20:21 GMT -5
Well, Deadeye, as you can see by my Reply #2, I'm through with D-loops, but still think they are a decent idea; at least they protect the bow string from the effects of release calipers, and the D-loop will not turn on your string if you tighten it sufficiently with the dedicated D-loop pliers.
Like you mention, I used to string extra eliminator buttons for replacement, but let's face it - the idea is to add as little clutter to the string as possible.
With the Gator Jaws I have a small nock lock above and below the nock; now that I'm using the Anchor Sight and have no peep, the only other thing on my string is the Mathew's-supplied monkey tail noise suppressors.
Harley
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Post by russkull on Jun 7, 2010 15:03:28 GMT -5
I second the Gator Jaws. Glad you were able to find them. I really see no reason to use any other type of release. It's clean, simple, no knock issues and reliable.
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Post by dougedwards on Jun 7, 2010 20:54:21 GMT -5
If you are shooting a bow of the correct draw length and then add a D loop after the fact, then your form will be slightly off because it will be as if you are shooting a draw length of 3/8-5/8" too long depending on the length of the loop. The old saying is that it is better to be three inches short than 1/4" long on draw length. However I have not seen a D-loop that is as much as an inch long. That would certainly be over doing it.
I recently sold my Rytera Alien X because of it's 70 lb limbs and the fact that I could only change draw lengths in full inch increments. I now have an Elite GTO with 60 lb limbs that has a draw length of 29.5" With a 3/8ths inch D-loop it fits me perfectly.
The addition of a D-loop to your string will cause you to lose about 1/2" of draw length if you wish to maintain perfect drawing form. On average that would mean a loss of about 5 fps. However brass nocks weigh more than string material so it all sort of balances out in the end. I like the D-loop because it doesn't put pressure on the bottom side of the arrow nock as the release pushes the arrow up against the brass nock as is customarily done on non D-loop strings. Also for those hunters who use the thumb release aids they can hang the release on the loop while they sit on stand waiting.
Doug
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Post by Harley on Jun 7, 2010 21:33:27 GMT -5
I have no arguments with anybody's position re: loops, nock locks, etc. If you're happy, I'm happy. Just can't wait for my new Gator Jaws to get here; then, lookout. Harley
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