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Post by 12ptdroptine on Feb 8, 2009 20:14:16 GMT -5
Any one know the factory price on laminated straight stock's? I am looking . Also any one who has a Richard's stock, please tell me your experience in finishing it..and pillar beding maybe or even glass bedding..Thanks all Drop
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2009 21:10:27 GMT -5
I have a richards tacdriver and several others here have other models and I think most are satisfied with the end result . but getting it there is a little challenging, lots of grinding- sanding depending upon model and desired state of finish. I have 22 hrs invested but its pillared, bedded, ramrod tube installed etc. price? about 220.00 with decelerator pad installed by them. would I do it over? when I pick it up and shoulder it the answer is YES......Bill
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2009 21:14:02 GMT -5
I like it if nobody else does.Bill[img src="http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn218/billsheliatravis/DSC_0059.jpg" ![]() img] |
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Post by rexxer on Feb 8, 2009 21:42:42 GMT -5
DROP -I f you go to Randy Wakeman Muzzleloading Site you can buy the thumbhole and non-thumbhole lam. stocks. I think the non-thumb was 189. There is some good reading over there too!
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Post by jims on Feb 8, 2009 22:18:26 GMT -5
hillbill: Nice work. To 12ptdroptine: I have finished a number of Richard's stocks. I also believe with the pillar bedding, glass work etc. I would have about 20 hours in them. The stocks I got needed a lot of standing and some inletting. I have heard that currently the stocks sent are not as rough. I have not gotten one recently to confirm that.
I like the wood for the money but they are not drop ins by a long shot.
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Post by rossman40 on Feb 9, 2009 0:55:39 GMT -5
A factory laminate will go for around $275 MSRP for like thumbholes, the BVSS target stock and the Low Profile Varminter. The standard laminate stock is less (less wood). These stocks are pretty much, to borrow a computer term, plug-n-play. Recoil pad, pillars, stock swivels and finished. If you watch Ebay you can pick-up a take-off sometimes cheap. I got a take off 12BVSS stock for $115. You can also cruise some of the other shooting board's classifieds. The ML barrel is about the same contour as a 10FP or a heavy barreled model 12.
As far as aftermarket all the laminate here in the states comes from the same place (Rutland Plywood) and the fancy colors will differ from lot to lot. And of course it helps if the guy picking the stock blank out of the pile isn't color blind. Some work is required as others have posted but that is what makes it a piece of art.
Boyd's will sometimes have deals on seconds, they just went thru a big shake up when the brothers split up. One took the gunstock side and the other the OEM side making wood handles and parts.
Richards is getting better but you have to remember they also supply pre-inletted blanks to a lot of other smaller stock makers. They also have close-outs or seconds.
A stock shop I like is Wenig Custom Stocks. They are real popular with the shotgunners and good people to deal with. Not the cheapest but if you tell them what you want they give you a price and thats what you get, plus there is no BS on a delivery date.
Rexxer, you actually get something out of RWs ramblings? I just read his flogging of Bergara barrels and he sure didn't flog them when he was flying Austin & Halleck's flag back about 8 years ago and A&H was using the Bergara extruded barrels. He is confusing the new barrels with the POS extruded barrels that CVA and Traditions also used.
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Post by corvair on Feb 9, 2009 6:07:52 GMT -5
You can also order a laminate stock from Sharpshooter Supply in Delphos Ohio. Just talk to Lisa or Fred Moreo. His stocks are really niccccceee. Well made and fully inletted.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Feb 11, 2009 20:19:32 GMT -5
Richard's looked pretty good for the money... I liked the classic for about $90. But wonder what all it will entail to get the stock finished and on the gun.. I can get a drop in from savage for another hundred.. BUT Since I may be in this deepre anyway.. Maybe I should buy a better one ..glas bed it and or pillar bed it and have the end result's I am looking for.. I want a gunt that's fun to shoot..And accurate..And pretty. I doubt I will ever carry it through the pucker brush.. I have a shooting shack and am planning on a couple tower's this next couple years. So thet's where it should mostly be used. So Please tell me what all a tricked out stock will take step by step to get it finished. And what all tools I will need. Thanks Drop
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Post by jims on Feb 11, 2009 22:01:27 GMT -5
12ptdroptine: Go for the better wood. You will long forget about the extra price paid, you will not soon forget the wood if it is not what you want. I have a number of seconds and Exhibitions from Richards. They always bring comments about the wood. You will be pleased with the figure of the wood.
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Post by Richard on Feb 12, 2009 17:53:08 GMT -5
Drop.......As Rossman said, Wenig stocks "ship" when they say. NO BS! However, While the one I put on my rifle was completely UN-inletted, the exterior needed a lot of work just like Richards. If it were me? I would opt for the Savage at about $200.00 I have worked on quite a few, and really like them. I actually bartered one from Volsg01 to put on another Savage I bought from one of our members. If I had realized how much work I got myself into doing the Wenig stock from scratch, I would have bought a Savage. Just my $ 0.02 worth.
Richard
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Feb 12, 2009 18:17:03 GMT -5
What will I need for tool's? What do you mean by "good wood" like walnut or the such? I like the laminate myself. I really like good beautiful wood..But not to hunt with. I used to love the finish on some old brownings and the bdl grade remington's. and what do you use for the finish on a laminated stock?
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Post by Richard on Feb 12, 2009 19:04:40 GMT -5
Drop.........I'm not being smart, but if you need to ask about tools and finishes, it might not be a project for you. I could go into all the sanders, sanding blocks, files, milling machines, lathes spray guns and on and on. Most people who take on projects like these, have worked with wood and finishing etc. I can understand wanting to learn, but you really need a live person with some expertise to point you in the right direction. It definitely can be done depending on your skill level.
Richard
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Feb 12, 2009 19:57:13 GMT -5
Well I don't have a lathe or milling machine. I am assuming that the lathe is to turn the pillar block's? and the milling machine here also? Nope I don't have those tool's . But I thought I had read somewhere that the pillars could be bought? I do have a drill press. a couple belt sander's a couple palm sander's a few hand plane's several spray gun's( I have custom painted several motorcycle's). I have what I consider to be pretty good skill level's... But I have also learned from years of experience to ask knowledgeable people about things like these . (Might save one's self a lot of frustration.) As for the finish I could spray it with whatever and make it look like a mirror. But that type of finish probably wouldn't hold up on a soft subsurface. That's why I asked what type of finish to use. Any way Richard I know you aren't being sarcastic..And neither am I .. I just need some guidance here and Know what hand tool's would be of help. I seen some nice round scraper's(barrel bedding tool) in a midway catalog. And wondered if these would help in the barrel channel? And how do you hold this thing level to drill the hole.s for the pillar's and such.I am one that isn't satisfied with "one like everyone else's" I want to personalize mine..and get more out of it. So that is why I am here to learn and advance in my own skill's..And then I have to do my son's. I like to do these thing's myself..save a few dollar's..But also be able to say I done this myself. To some we are talking just gun's here. To other's we are talking Heirloom's Thanks Richard... For your help in advance. Drop
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Feb 12, 2009 22:10:44 GMT -5
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Post by sagittarius on Feb 13, 2009 10:26:23 GMT -5
Drop, I ordered two of the Richards stocks last fall for my Mod 70 Winchesters. When they arrived, I couldn't believe how rough they were.  I laughed to myself for being an idiot for ordering them as there's no way I will ever have the time or energy to finish them. I'm not saying other people are idiots, of course, but I was.  I put them back in the box where they remain. If I get a chance to sell them someday for 1/2 price, I will jump on it ! I was somewhat deceived by the salesman as he told me there was very little work needed to finish them. It looks like it would take 100 hours of sanding to finish the SOBs to me.   They were both wrapped in new Chinese newspapers so I couldn't help wondering if they're made in China.  Not trying to rain on your parade, but, unless you're willing to put in many many hours of sanding, forget Richards stocks or try someone else. But, if you want to go for it and have the time to spare, more power to you ! |
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Post by Richard on Feb 13, 2009 11:58:57 GMT -5
Drop.........After what you just stated, I would imagine you could do a good job on the stock. In fact, if you have some questions, feel free to PM me and I'll give you my phone number is you want to "jaw"
Richard
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 21:55:20 GMT -5
Drop, If you can do bodywork and paint motorcycles you can do a stock no problem, I have found a dremel tool to be a worthwhile investment for stockwork along with several sizes of dowelrod, and paint sticks for sanding. I use sading discs for an electric da sander and the sander too of course. Wood files and chisels come in handy as well. the pillars can be had from brownells and a good drill press can suffice for drilling. acraglass or devcon for bedding and you are in business......Bill
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Post by jims on Feb 13, 2009 21:59:38 GMT -5
There was a thread on the old board as I recall about making one's own pillars. Someone might be able to point that out for you. I use an orbital sander initially to sand, later by hand after the rough work is done. I end up with 2000 grit, it leaves a very fine finish.
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Post by dannoboone on Feb 13, 2009 22:35:10 GMT -5
Here's Boyd's instructions for finishing either Laminate or Walnut: www.boydsgunstocks.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/how%20to%20finish.pdfIf you can find one of their laminated stocks that will fit your rifle, there is a lot less to do with a Boyd's stock than a Richard's, especially getting their rough tooling marks out. I know their are pillars out there, but our HD crashed last weekend and I had to install another. If I can get the new to read the old perhaps I can find the info. Also had info from a stockmaker explaining stress-free bedding (you still get the stress of getting it right, but done right the action is stress-free). ;D |
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Post by minst7877 on Feb 13, 2009 23:59:00 GMT -5
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Feb 21, 2009 21:49:02 GMT -5
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