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Post by dougedwards on Feb 3, 2009 23:24:32 GMT -5
This is a bill introduced to the House of Representatives on Jan. 6, 2009 attempting to amend the Brady bill by adding the requirement that all firearms be registered in a database in Washington DC. Gun owners will then be fingerprinted, be required to submit SS# and drivers liscence # and submit to having mental and physical health records being put on file, maintain a valid address at all times, and required to file any address or ownership changes even on private sales. Also there will be fees involved in doing so. The following was copied from a hunting related website.
Congressional Research Service Summary
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1/6/2009--Introduced.
Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 - Amends the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to prohibit a person from possessing a firearm unless that person has been issued a firearm license under this Act or a state system certified under this Act and such license has not been invalidated or revoked. Prescribes license application, issuance, and renewal requirements.
Prohibits transferring or receiving a qualifying firearm unless the recipient presents a valid firearms license, the license is verified, and the dealer records a tracking authorization number. Prescribes firearms transfer reporting and record keeping requirements. Directs the Attorney General to establish and maintain a federal record of sale system.
Prohibits: (1) transferring a firearm to any person other than a licensee, unless the transfer is processed through a licensed dealer in accordance with national instant criminal background check system requirements, with exceptions; (2) a licensed manufacturer or dealer from failing to comply with reporting and record keeping requirements of this Act; (3) failing to report the loss or theft of the firearm to the Attorney General within 72 hours; (4) failing to report to the Attorney General an address change within 60 days; or (5) keeping a loaded firearm, or an unloaded firearm and ammunition for the firearm, knowingly or recklessly disregarding the risk that a child is capable of gaining access, if a child uses the firearm and causes death or serious bodily injury.
Prescribes criminal penalties for violations of firearms provisions covered by this Act.
Directs the Attorney General to: (1) establish and maintain a firearm injury information clearinghouse; (2) conduct continuing studies and investigations of firearm-related deaths and injuries; and (3) collect and maintain current production and sales figures of each licensed manufacturer.
Authorizes the Attorney General to certify state firearm licensing or record of sale systems
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Post by mkjstep on Feb 3, 2009 23:31:31 GMT -5
Looks like the words of a "domestic enemy" to me!
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Feb 4, 2009 3:16:14 GMT -5
That won't go over too well.....
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Post by youp50 on Feb 4, 2009 4:05:12 GMT -5
Better buy your sewer pipe and caps now.
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Post by raf on Feb 4, 2009 8:01:27 GMT -5
Sounds very much like what we have here. Government claimed it would make things safer for citizens and keep guns out of the hands of people that shouldn't have them  . And the whole works was going to cost a paltry 145 million . Well, the system has been in place since 1998 and criminals still get their hands on guns. And the cost is now approaching $2billion  . And the people running it or working within the system need a little education. Lots of mistakes being made. Of course we have very vocal opponents and some try to sabatoge the system by doing things like registering a glue gun and they got the registration  . The present government has said they would abolish the gun registry but are in a minority position and wouldn't be able to get it through parliment so haven't tried. The majority of people who favor a gun registry don't know whether their a**hole is punched, bored or pecked out by crows. Likely don't know which end of the barrel the bullet comes out of. An example. Years ago the local police dept wanted to upgrade their revolvers. They used 38 colts which were getting old and required lots of maintenance, and thought there would be a something better. The shopped around and found a heck of deal on heavy barreled 357's. I believe they were the model 19. Anyway the price was 1/2 of what a new 38 smith cost and they agreed to still use 38 amunition. They just wanted a sturdier piece..But a politition like I mentioned about said no and his reasoning was it's a 357 revolver so the bullets would go faster. It like saying a car will go faster if you paint a racing stripe on it  Anyway good luck down there. |
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Post by ozark on Feb 4, 2009 9:02:13 GMT -5
Hopefully that bill is doesn't pass the common sense committee. Who ask for it Doug?
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Post by petev on Feb 4, 2009 9:16:18 GMT -5
Here when I bought a new revolver a couple of months ago, the manufacturer supplied a couple of spent casings with it, apparently to satisfy a new law in N.Y., so that if the police find casings at a crime scene, they can trace it back to a particular gun. I wonder how that works with a revolver, like the one I bought, when most likely the casings would still be in the gun until later. The dealer told me that the new law has resulted in no convictions. Sometimes I have wondered if we gun owners should form militias of some sort, to remove ANY ambiguity in the interpretation of the 2nd amendment. I am not saying that I dont think we have the right to own guns now, only that the opponents wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Pete
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Post by chuck41 on Feb 4, 2009 12:04:33 GMT -5
I had a delay in shipment of some reloading dies recently. The shipper apologized and said that since the election he has been totally swamped and unable to keep up with all the orders. The gun shops locally are also doing a land-office business these days.
What is this "You asked for it" stuff?
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Post by missedagain on Feb 4, 2009 15:49:22 GMT -5
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Post by missedagain on Feb 4, 2009 16:15:26 GMT -5
Our new administration's MO is starting to look like: I'm going to do this unless, Unless that there is suffeceint outcry.
\ Everyone needs to contact their represenitve and let them Know: How they feel about having a tax evader in charge of the treasury when for every year Bill Clinton was in the White House NRA officals where audited.
What they think about using an ecomomic criseses to forward a one party agenda for incressed goverment control over private sector buessneneses.
That we support our Country and it's Constitution .
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Post by dougedwards on Feb 4, 2009 17:06:44 GMT -5
Hopefully that bill is doesn't pass the common sense committee. Who ask for it Doug? Ben, we ask for it when we vote into office those who are completely insensitive to the rights of hunters.... just because of partison reasons. I am not taking sides and I am not talking about just the president. Presidents don't make laws. I know that Ted Nugent is just a little over the edge but the more I listen to him speak on this subject the more I am convinced that the government can be a very scary entity. |
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Post by ozark on Feb 4, 2009 19:19:37 GMT -5
I understand where you are coming from on the issue. I suppose that I have just decided the issue on a personal basis. Since I first joined the NRA in the 50s they have been using scare tactics to get more members and money. I am not knocking the NRA but I resent them using organizations to collect money from us and only a small percentage of the money colected gets to the NRA. My personal decision is that if permitted to obey the gun laws while being allowed to own and use guns to hunt and for home protection I will do so. If they outlaw ownership of rifles and handguns for law abiding citizens then I will become an outlaw in the sense that I will not follow their rules. If someone comes to take my guns you will all read about it in the papers. Not a threat but a promise. I carried one for many years in defense of this country and I hope I never have to use one to defend my right to have one..And you can tell your elected officials that Ozark loves peace but if needed knows how to bite hard. We are probably outnumbered already but I am not going to lose this fight alive. Ozark
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Post by youp50 on Feb 5, 2009 5:19:11 GMT -5
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Post by fowlplay on Feb 5, 2009 8:43:22 GMT -5
Ozark, I feel the same way as you do. I'm a proud NRA member because they are and will be our last defense for our 2nd Amendment Right. I also do not like some of there tactics and constant asking for more money. I love God, my family, and this country. The truth is if they come to get our guns, the ATF and the news media will make us all just look like a bunch of backwoods gun toting terrorists that needs to be eliminated. People voted for change. I hope they know what they were voting for.  I walked in my local gun shop last week and I was shocked. Over half the guns were missing. I asked the owner if he had a big sale that I did not know about. His reply was "People are nervous about the new gun laws that are coming. But right now Obama is my best salesman." Steve |
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Post by Buckrub on Feb 5, 2009 15:11:03 GMT -5
Ben, I admire your courage.
But those whose claim is that they will fight the government to keep the guns, if and when the government comes for them, is sheer folly.
You can't fight the government. They have tanks and F-16's. Those are just words, sir. You won't fight bravely, you won't go down hard, you will just give in instantly when they come. Trust me on that. We won't read one word in the papers, at least not about you and your efforts personally. They will simply come to the door, hold a gun to your wife's head, and quietly raid your house for every gun and accoutrement thereof and walk away.
You won't even whimper.
Neither will I.
To say otherwise is a wasteful spate of bravado.
There is just one way to fight those who want our freedoms, and that is legally. Yes, we could revolt just as our ancestors did from England, but we're too lazy and would never make the effort, nor would we efficiently band together to do such a thing. Never happen. Besides, you underestimate how many regular folks who would side with the government in such an action, and how few of those of 'us' there are to help defend you. We are very small in number, shrinking rapidly.
The end has begun, as I told you earlier. There will be no stopping it. I wish it were not so. I wish it so very, very much.
Tick tock.......
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Post by dougedwards on Feb 5, 2009 15:34:59 GMT -5
The real problem is that most of us have no desire to understand how politics work. Most people make decisions in the voting booth dependent on what letter is behind the candidates name. It really is time for us all to get involved. Know who you are voting for and for what they stand. As long as the majority remains apathetic the ruthless will wet their appetites with power a little gobble at a time. Then we will only be able to watch our country be controlled by those who could give a hoot about what our founding fathers wanted for this country. Right now we have a choice but time is quickly running out.
Doug
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Post by chuck41 on Feb 7, 2009 1:04:18 GMT -5
Ben, I admire your courage. But those whose claim is that they will fight the government to keep the guns, if and when the government comes for them, is sheer folly. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The end has begun, as I told you earlier. There will be no stopping it. I wish it were not so. I wish it so very, very much. Tick tock....... Buckrub, I pray that your conclusion is highly overly pessimistic. There is still only 58 Democrats/Independents in the Senate and it takes 60 votes to overcome a filibuster which is required to get any controversial law passed. There is also a few Democrats out there who have at least an ounce of sense, but unfortunately that is balanced by an equal number of Republicans who don't. There is still five justices on the Supreme Court that are not totally sold out liberal socialists, and there is another election in only one year and nine months. The situation today is not a lot different than it was in '92 and there was a tremendous turn around in '94. But it required a focus on principles and an appeal to the American public to choose a higher road. The liberal media and school systems have succeeded in dumbing down of the American public and that prevailed in November, but there really wasn't a really clear option offered. There is still a possibility that when people see the bumpy road of liberal insanity over then next 21 months there will be a totally different result from the electorate. Hopefully there will then be a new slate of congressional and senatorial candidates of both parties who will hold the constitution in high esteem. The Republicans brought this on themselves. They abandoned their focus and principles and have been spending like drunken sailors for the last 12 years. They have failed to do the clear will of the people on the borders and in many other ways. No wonder people had no faith in their leadership. Unfortunately the only "change" that the people are going to get is a difference set of names to the same disastrous policies that led us to the problems of today. |
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. And the whole works was going to cost a paltry 145 million 
. And the people running it or working within the system need a little education. Lots of mistakes being made. 
. The present government has said they would abolish the gun registry but are in a minority position and wouldn't be able to get it through parliment so haven't tried. The majority of people who favor a gun registry don't know whether their a**hole is punched, bored or pecked out by crows. Likely don't know which end of the barrel the bullet comes out of.
