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Post by dave d. on Jan 17, 2010 16:04:37 GMT -5
:)guys let's please be more diligent about what caliber we are talking about in our post's.i know there are alot of guys including myself that only shoot .45's but we need to be more careful and considerate to all the people on this board especially the newbies. thank you
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Post by bigmoose on Jan 17, 2010 17:00:47 GMT -5
Sounds like a plan to me......will do.
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Post by deadon on Jan 17, 2010 17:13:35 GMT -5
Again Guys, Sorry about the fracas!!!
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Post by ET on Jan 17, 2010 19:22:53 GMT -5
Again Guys, Sorry about the fracas!!! Deadon There is no fracas here and you have brought to our awareness how confusing all this info is to a newcomer just getting into smokeless via 10ML-II 50Cal.. For many of us who have been here for a while we take it for granted others are familiar with the differences of calibers when info is provided. If anything we are not taking into account there are newcomers here that find this confusing and should be more attentative in this area. Ed |
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Post by ozark on Jan 17, 2010 22:21:36 GMT -5
At what point does a rifle not qualify as a savage smokeless ML. The 10MLII .50 Cal. is the only one sold by the Savage Company that I am aware of. Make it a .40 or .45 Caliber by replacing the barrel deletes everything thought about the original. I am certainly not opposed to all the modifications but IMO the Savage Smokeless ML section should be seperate from the others. Since it isn't then as a courtesy to new members a distinction should be indicated in the posts and threads. Apple and Apples, not Apples and Oranges. JMHO
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Post by tar12 on Jan 18, 2010 6:19:56 GMT -5
At what point does a rifle not qualify as a savage smokeless ML. The 10MLII .50 Cal. is the only one sold by the Savage Company that I am aware of. Make it a .40 or .45 Caliber by replacing the barrel deletes everything thought about the original. I am certainly not opposed to all the modifications but IMO the Savage Smokeless ML section should be separate from the others. Since it isn't then as a courtesy to new members a distinction should be indicated in the posts and threads. Apple and Apples, not Apples and Oranges. JMHO I am with you 100% on this Ben.By separating them you are only 1 mouse click away from your interest.As this board continues to grow,so does the interest in the stock Savage as well as the modified variations.Imagine knowing next to nothing about smokeless muzzeloading and finding your way to this site.It must be overwhelming to a newcomer to sift through all of the wonderful info. here.IMO, by separating them,it would enhance,speed-up and clarify this experience.What would the negative to that be? |
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Post by bigmoose on Jan 18, 2010 7:37:12 GMT -5
Great Idea, How about: A separate board for 195gr Bullets 200gr Bullets 250gr Bullets 300gr Bullerts 350gr. Bullets Lets not forget each type of sabots Lots of different powders and wads, ramrods and on and on Our motto could be a separate board for all your needs and than some  |
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Post by edge on Jan 18, 2010 8:15:05 GMT -5
This is not, and has not been a Savage ONLY board since Old Green, which very few of us still even remember  However it IS limited to Muzzleloaders designed for SMOKELESS! Conversions of BP rifle barrels to use smokeless powder is specifically prohibited in the open. A BP rifle converted to a smokeless barrel and breechplug is allowed as long as it is perfectly clear that the barrel is suitable for smokeless! edge. |
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Post by tar12 on Jan 18, 2010 8:18:17 GMT -5
Great Idea, How about: A separate board for 195gr Bullets 200gr Bullets 250gr Bullets 300gr Bullerts 350gr. Bullets Lets not forget each type of sabots Lots of different powders and wads, ramrods and on and on Our motto could be a separate board for all your needs and than some Seperate board? You smoking this mornings coffee or drinking it? ::)All we are suggesting is to seperate the smokeless calibers so new people can distinguish easily what they are reading.There are many times that there is confusion regarding sabots and different bullet weights,there is hardly a day that goes by with out a question in this regard.This confusion would be eliminated by being able to go to the respective cal. section and locating that info. with out having to sift through all of the combined threads to find the info. a new guy needs to clarify things for him.You are opposed to simplifying things for new people?Not to mention the very real possibility of somone new making a huge mistake? Please..... |
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Post by tar12 on Jan 18, 2010 8:25:34 GMT -5
Edge,
Do not misconstrue my post,it was not my intent or desire to say this board is a Savage board only.It is not and that is one of things that make this board so great is the diversity!Having said that, I think this board is growing at such a rate that it breeds confusion for new people.What harm would come of seperate sections?
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Post by dwhunter on Jan 18, 2010 9:38:11 GMT -5
Great Idea, How about: A separate board for 195gr Bullets 200gr Bullets 250gr Bullets 300gr Bullerts 350gr. Bullets Lets not forget each type of sabots Lots of different powders and wads, ramrods and on and on Our motto could be a separate board for all your needs and than some I agree with you 100%. Identify which caliber when posting is all that is needed. |
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Post by bigmoose on Jan 18, 2010 9:47:53 GMT -5
Tar12,
Is it safe for a broken down old old old man to smoke coffee.
As I said above, on future posts I will make it clear the caliber, I,m refering to.
I keep burning my fingers, trying to light up a coffee bean, later I'll try grounds.
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Post by tar12 on Jan 18, 2010 10:20:40 GMT -5
It is not about just you.It is me as well as others who have taken it for granted that everyone knows what we are talking about.We get so comfortable with our knowledge and the members that we become friends with that we sometimes assume and we grow lax with our posts. I would hate to see somone hurt as a result.Seperation would be beneficial as I see it on several fronts.I view it as being orderly and beneficial to new guys who do not have a clue.
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Post by mike3132 on Jan 18, 2010 10:47:18 GMT -5
We've been threw this discussion before and the board stays the same. Members should state what caliber they are giving loads for. Very simple. Mike
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Post by ozark on Jan 18, 2010 12:36:04 GMT -5
This issue is being considered in the Administrator and Moderator section. It is being debated with everyone providing imput. At this point it appears most are in favor of leaving it as is. Making a change would leave all the previous posts the same and people do look back over older posts and that could also get confusing. The board isn't a purely democratic run affair. Moderators and Administrators represent members. Ultimately the decisions are made by the Three administratorsl. I think it works well. Rather than debate changes on the forums I suggest that you PM Moderators or Administrators with your opinions and let them do their jobs. I am not opposed to change but sometimes change can be more confusing than leaving things as is. Ozark
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Post by edge on Jan 18, 2010 13:46:05 GMT -5
If a thread is NOT clear then a Moderator should lock the thread and leave a Reply stating that the caliber is not clear.
The poster can either contact a Moderator to clear it up, he can re-post with the clarification ( at which time the original post would get deleted ), or it should be deleted before it reaches the bottom of the first page by a Moderator.
Perhaps when start a thread you can just add the caliber to the Title as a matter of course, assuming the thread is caliber specific:
.50- Blah Blah Blah
.45- Blah Blah Blah
.40- Blah Blah Blah
edge.
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Post by edge on Jan 18, 2010 18:04:24 GMT -5
It was brought to my attention that my last post did NOT go far enough If a Moderator CAN decipher the caliber, but the post is not clear, then the Moderator SHOULD modify the post to include the caliber and leave a message that the Moderator added this information...IN THE POST! I don't want Moderators adding information without making it perfectly clear that they have added this info. There is always the chance that the Moderator was mistaken and I want as many flags as possible to correct errors. It is also incumbent to all members to Flag problem loads and incorrect caliber choices in threads. IMO, this is one of the most friendly boards on the net and we all need to watch each others back...especially when it comes to loads. edge. |
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