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Post by ET on Jan 28, 2009 22:06:40 GMT -5
The one area I would love to get control of is the rate of plastic fouling in my muzzle loader bore. Usually I get 4-good shots before having to do an intermittent bore cleaning to maintain my accuracy and groups. This product (Slip 2000) advertises to help reduce bore fouling in shotguns from plastic wads so I’m going to try it in my muzzle loader as well. Also it is advertised to be an overall great lubricant that is non-petroleum based that bonds to metal. Hope this venture produces something worthwhile or I’ll start questioning my sanity and advertisement gullibility. As they say nothing ventured nothing gained or will it be a fool and his money are soon parted.  ;D www.slip2000.com/gunlube_info.htmlEd |
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Post by Richard on Jan 29, 2009 13:24:16 GMT -5
ET........It should be good, but I'm thinking it will have to be used either every or everyother shot similar to the "four drops" of of Rem. bore cleaner I use after each shot. Keep us posted.
Do you have use of that range yet Ed?
Richard
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Post by ET on Jan 29, 2009 17:45:54 GMT -5
Richard No word yet on the ranges that are being done to meet government standards/rules for usage. Even though winter conditions are here for a bit yet I am starting to get that itchin and a twichin feeling. ;D As for the Slip-2000 my anticipation is a little higher than regular usage. This non petroleum based lubricant is supposed to work itself into the pores of the metal and bond at a molecular level. If this holds true then plastic should not be able to have as good a grip to metal causing a plastic buildup. I imagine there will be a few coatings between cleanings to get a nice conditioning affect. My hope is at least 20-rounds with only dry swabbing as that is normally a good outing for me. Well if the rough bore in my Savage is not conducive with this product it should work in my shotgun barrels. Time will tell if I am to something or been lead down the garden path. Ed |
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Post by youp50 on Jan 29, 2009 22:12:46 GMT -5
I hope you are on to something. My Grandma always said to Gramps 'Fishing lures are made to catch fisherman, not fish' as she would survey his latest acquisitions. If it doesn't work I have some plastic solvent you might want to try  |
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Post by ET on Jan 29, 2009 23:10:07 GMT -5
I hope you are on to something. My Grandma always said to Gramps 'Fishing lures are made to catch fisherman, not fish' as she would survey his latest acquisitions. If it doesn't work I have some plastic solvent you might want to try Thanks but plastic solvent I have and my goal is to reduce the amount of usage in a given time frame. It would be nice just to shoot and dry swab for an extended period of time with less intermittent bore cleaning. Your grandma wise a wise women but never understood the needs of a fishermans quest of lures for all occasions. ;D Ed |
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Post by youp50 on Jan 30, 2009 5:48:21 GMT -5
I am in agreement with the cleaning thing and then a couple of fouling shots to put just the right amount back in...
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Post by ET on Jan 31, 2009 8:23:35 GMT -5
Well the first bore coating is applied. Will wait a couple of days before a dry swipe and see if it dislodges anything from the bore. Then a second coat to better ensure full bore coverage.
Otherwise all preparation short of measuring out powder is completed for some range time. That itchin and twichin feeling is starting to get a little more intensive. ;D
Ed
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Post by youp50 on Jan 31, 2009 10:11:54 GMT -5
Ed
The swelling is gone down on my face. Does that count?
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Post by ET on Jan 31, 2009 12:23:43 GMT -5
Ed The swelling is gone down on my face. Does that count? Okay what did I miss here or not getting it right? Sorry if I am a little slow today. Ed |
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Post by edge on Feb 9, 2009 6:43:12 GMT -5
My first year with the Savage, I started shooting and everything was fine, come hunting season thing got colder, and I noticed that the sabots were getting harder to load, and by the end of the season I needed an aluminum rod to seat my 250 XTP in a MMP sabot. It was NOT the cold so much as the plastic fouling!!
After switching to using Wonder Wads/ Fiber cards soaked in Bore Butter, I NEVER swab or clean the bore unless I take the rifle apart to check for vent liner wear or something like that. I have gone BACK to the Savage Noodle Ramrod, because it just isn't that hard to load anymore without all that plastic fouling!! I am sold on Bore Butter, but not on the sabots, always on a Wonder Wad or Card.
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Post by jims on Feb 9, 2009 9:43:10 GMT -5
Edge: You have provided a great deal of advice to me over the years and I am willing to try the WW combo but my question is, I have never noticed any type of plastic fouling nor accuracy drop off except when the ventliner gets worn, thus is there any real reason for me to switch practices?
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Post by edge on Feb 9, 2009 12:41:29 GMT -5
Edge: You have provided a great deal of advice to me over the years and I am willing to try the WW combo but my question is, I have never noticed any type of plastic fouling nor accuracy drop off except when the ventliner gets worn, thus is there any real reason for me to switch practices? If you have no problem with plastic then you probably need no wads. With the exception of a very few shots, I have only used fiber cards soaked in Natural Lube, and not Wonder Wads themselves. With my rigid sabots I had a great loss in velocity with Wonder Wads so only used a few. edge. |
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Post by ET on Feb 9, 2009 20:50:40 GMT -5
Edge Appreciate you taking the time to post that tip. On hot summer days to maintain my groups I have used WW and was not happy with the mess they produced. But as you suggested they do help some with fowling as I could get 7-8 shots without an intermittent bore cleaning that I usually needed to do after 3-4 shots. Actually Slip 2000 was mentioned a few years back but never got around to trying it until now. Was hoping I would find the product locally somewhere but finally ended up ordering direct from CA. With a shipping cost of $21.20 and $11.00 duty added to the product cost of $37.25 is when my question of sanity surfaced. To make it more interesting I got Slip 2000 EWL (Extra Wear Life). My bore now has been coated with Slip 2000 EWL so the experiment with this product is kind of past the no return point. I am hoping for a tally ho and not a tally thud results. This is just one of those things that plays on your mind until you try it and put it to rest. Will post any results later in the year when I have a chance to put some shots through the bore. Ed |
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Post by edge on Feb 10, 2009 9:05:59 GMT -5
You might want to use a break-in approach to the treatment, meaning cleaning between shots but in decreasing frequency for "X" number of shots. Then try shooting doing nothing.
edge.
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Post by ET on Feb 10, 2009 16:42:00 GMT -5
You might want to use a break-in approach to the treatment, meaning cleaning between shots but in decreasing frequency for "X" number of shots. Then try shooting doing nothing. edge. Thanks for that good point to consider. Currently my coating was put on a cold bore. Now as the barrel heats up the metal pores should open some allowing more Slip-2000 to penetrate deeper leaving a tiny resevoir behind. I believe my hope for good results just got bumped up a few notches.  Ed |
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