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Post by edge on Jan 28, 2009 12:36:41 GMT -5
I saw this post on the Old Board, here is the entire thread: dougva.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=crossbow&thread=11046&page=1I thought it pretty interesting  edge. I've worked a lot with my Parker Saf Mag #175 lately. I'm shooting carbon 20" bolts with indexed Rage 100g 3-blade broadheads and 4" vanes on bolts(403.5g). I'm shooting 341'/sec +/- 0 at 10'. 80 yd groups are appx 2": 60 and down are 1" max. For those of you not familiar with the Parker, the string has no contact with the arrow shelf - no lub needed. It always shoots the same. I use a Sightron 2 42 MM 3X12 Mil dot scope. 1 1/2 dots hi=20 yds, 1 dot hi=30 yds, 1/2 dot low= 40 yds, 2 dots low=50 yds,3 2/3 dots low= 60 yds, top of post =70 yds, 2 dots below post= 80 yds. I need to cant the scope down slightly so 4 dots up is 20 yds and then it could go to 100 yds. These bolts with indexed expandible broadheads out of this x-bow which is fast but not fast by today's fast standards will easily group 2" at 80 yds and that's guessing 2 dots down - not ideal. I believe with an exact aiming point, that 2" @ 100 yds is doable. The 385'/sec Strykeforce shooting 425g bolts, the Stryker at 405-410'/sec will both have 100 yd velocities over what many x-bows have at 10'. X-bow range limitations are mainly in x-bow scopes-lack of long range marking and some are of very poor quality, lack of long range practice - using good rests, lack of effective range finder usage, lack of well matched bolts/aligned broadheads and practice to see what alignment works best, lack of belief concerning what is really possible. The Strykeforce(385), Stryker(405), new Barnett(375'/sec) API Terminator - if actually improved in quality(needed!!) as they say, Parker Cyclone(350), Desert Stryker(350) should all be capable of 100yd shooting. Others may be announced Jan 4-8,2009 at the Archery Dealer's show in Indiana. This isn't claiming the superiority of the x-bow over vertical bows as they also can shoot very accurately at 100 yds. My son's 5 year old Hoyt Razor-Tec set on only #60 will consistently hit the kill zone of the deer at 80 yds with my only occasional shooting of it due to my shoulder problem. Time of flight with both horiz and vertical bows becomes a major ethical issue when considering hunting at these ranges. Some long shots could be ethical while others wouldn't be at all. None of us need to "stick" deer and then loose them. |
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Post by windy on Jan 28, 2009 18:13:59 GMT -5
I bought a Parker terminater 175 last year very accurate I harvested a good buck in Pa 39yds ( Lazer range finder)
I use Thunderhead 125 which is the same Broadhead I use with
my compound The only thing I didn't like was the scope When It started to get dark I had a hard time picking out the correct
crosshair My bow now carrys an Excalibur Illuminated scope
The reason I picked the Parker you don't have to lube the rail
I know of several fellows who have them They say very little upkeep on them so far I agreee
Iv'e shot with the broadhead on 47.5 yds 2 to 3" groups
and thats shooting freehand Plus the price is right on the XBOW
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Feb 8, 2009 11:20:10 GMT -5
A very interesting weapon that i HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH!!
Would you pro's say that the tuning aspect of a crossbow are the same...more...or less then a traditional compound?
If allowed in NYS, I would contemplate a new outlet. I would be on my own in the maintenance dept cause my buddies are against Xbows.
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Post by sw on Feb 10, 2009 19:42:01 GMT -5
The Parker X-bows seem to be the best values out there. A good range marked rifle scope is better than a x-bow scope, IMO. The Strykeforce has really raised the bar in hunting x-bows:385'/sec with a 425g bolt), virtually no hand shock, extremely quiet, very narrow, very comfortable to hold/shoot, moderately light(1# heavier than Parker Saf Mag), and very accurate. I'll admit, I've ordered one. Sold a very nice(my favorite) gun to afford it. Here it's 5 mos bow/x-bow and 2 week-ends and 3 days MLer and that's it for deer. No modern gun. X-bow is a big deal for us shoulder injured bow hunters. I'll report on it's accuracy. |
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Post by sw on Feb 10, 2009 20:00:52 GMT -5
A very interesting weapon that i HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH!! Would you pro's say that the tuning aspect of a crossbow are the same...more...or less then a traditional compound? If allowed in NYS, I would contemplate a new outlet. I would be on my own in the maintenance dept cause my buddies are against Xbows. Having taken over 70 deer with vertical bows: primarily stick bows, I can assure you that using a x-bow is an advantage. That said, many x-bow hunters haven't the ability with their x-bow that most bow hunters have with their bows. That said, the x-bow has more potential, IMO. The tuning is much easier with the x-bow, especially tuning a long bow or even a recurve. Good tuning of a compound is quite involved also, IMO. X-bows don't have the spine factor - it just needs to be "very stiff". If your friends who are against x-bows use compound bows, they just need to "grow up"! They should have experienced the "backlash" against compounds when they first came out. What does a modern compound have to do with conventional bow shooting? Very little! "Real" bowhunters hated them, or so they said. Once again, it's an elitism mentality. Some people don't even like your smokeless MLer/scope.If a person wants a self-imposed handicap over what the state allows, I'll respect that but I don't appreciate nor respect their criticism and desire to limit what I can use. Back to your question, the x-bow is easy to set up. I prefer x-bows that have a string that doesn't rub the shelf. The x-bow has about the same advantage over a compound that a smokeless Mler has over a traditional muzzleloader. Hunters should stick together. In time, I'll bet your friends will slowly modify their feelings. It's called "gaining wisdom". :)Sorry about the soapbox. |
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Post by huntingmike on Feb 17, 2009 1:26:04 GMT -5
SW
I agree with you. We have to stand together to keep all hunters hunting. Even old ones like myself who need the X bows to stay in the game.
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Post by sagittarius on Mar 10, 2009 23:24:28 GMT -5
Always wanted a Robin Allen custom but never got around to ordering one.  |
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Post by doegirl on Jul 10, 2009 3:29:19 GMT -5
I know have been extremely happy with my Desert Stryker. I'm not quite strong enough to get a Strykeforce cocked with a rope cocker, so I opted for the 155lb D.S. Target shot at 75yds off of shooting sticks, utilizing 67 yd point of aim  |
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Post by edge on Jul 10, 2009 8:43:15 GMT -5
Nice shooting I assume that those are field points. What kind of penetration do you get with broadheads on that target? edge. |
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Post by doegirl on Jul 10, 2009 14:02:52 GMT -5
Nice shooting I assume that those are field points. What kind of penetration do you get with broadheads on that target? edge. 2 field points and a Spitfire. About 8" with the Spitfire. That Reinhardt cube holds up really well. |
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Post by sw on Aug 19, 2009 20:05:13 GMT -5
Doe girl, I agree concerning the great group. My SF shoots better with the 125g field pts on the Red Hot arrows than it does with 100g points. If expandibles are used, 125g points are in limited selection. This would be easily correctable with heavy inserts if I were making my own arrows but due to time I just bought the Red Hots and they do extremely well. So, in the world of expandibles, is there another choice of 125g good expandible other than the very good 125 Spitfire?
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Post by sagittarius on Aug 25, 2009 1:18:09 GMT -5
So far, my new Scorpyd crossbow has been very accurate. Everyone else who has shot it has thought so too.   |
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Post by dougedwards on Aug 25, 2009 5:15:53 GMT -5
So far, my new Scorpyd crossbow has been very accurate. Everyone else who has shot it has thought so too. At what ranges are you practicing? What arrows and broadheads? Doug |
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Post by sagittarius on Aug 25, 2009 10:27:33 GMT -5
Doug, I have been shooting 20 and 30 yards so far. My Hawke scope's 4 way reticle is actually zero at 20 and 28 yards and a tad bit low at 30. So far, if the shooter does his job, it's a bullseye almost every shot at those distances. I plan to shoot again this weekend to see what the point blank range will at the next two reticle settings. Hoping it will be close at 40 and 50 yards. Don't plan on shooting past 30 yards while hunting but do like to practice the longer shots as it makes hitting much easier when shooting at 20 and 30 yards when crunch time comes.  I have no doubts, with the superb trigger this crossbow possesses, there will be any problem shooting bulls at the longer ranges. I guess, that's bragging, but, I do expect it. I'm shooting 22" Gold Tip Laser II's with a 100 gr field tip so far. Have not decided what broadhead I want to use at this time. According to my old Ohaus Dial-O-Gram scale, my arrows weigh 419.75 grains which should give pretty good energy. I will probably get some 125 grain field tips also and see how they shoot as I prefer 125 grain broadheads. Plus, they have a better energy. Any suggestions for broadheads ? |
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Post by dougedwards on Aug 25, 2009 15:34:39 GMT -5
Doug, I have been shooting 20 and 30 yards so far. My Hawke scope's 4 way reticle is actually zero at 20 and 28 yards and a tad bit low at 30. So far, if the shooter does his job, it's a bullseye almost every shot at those distances. I plan to shoot again this weekend to see what the point blank range will at the next two reticle settings. Hoping it will be close at 40 and 50 yards. Don't plan on shooting past 30 yards while hunting but do like to practice the longer shots as it makes hitting much easier when shooting at 20 and 30 yards when crunch time comes. I have no doubts, with the superb trigger this crossbow possesses, there will be any problem shooting bulls at the longer ranges. I guess, that's bragging, but, I do expect it. I'm shooting 22" Gold Tip Laser II's with a 100 gr field tip so far. Have not decided what broadhead I want to use at this time. According to my old Ohaus Dial-O-Gram scale, my arrows weigh 419.75 grains which should give pretty good energy. I will probably get some 125 grain field tips also and see how they shoot as I prefer 125 grain broadheads. Plus, they have a better energy. Any suggestions for broadheads ? That sounds like a rocking crossbow you have there. I also shoot the Laser II arrows and they fly great when you add weight to the front. Do you know if these Gold Tips have the brass front inserts installed? If so 125 grain broadheads will probably do well. If not I would look at even heavier broadheads if you plan on doing any long range shooting. The Rage broadhead seems to be getting the most attention lately. I understand that they have improved on the o-ring situation that was hampering that broadhead. I am just a simple guy who likes to keep things as simple as possible so I still shoot fixed broadheads and the 150 gr Magnus Stinger shoots as straight as field points and has always done great damage to a whitetail if I do my part. Maybe some others can chime in with other broadhead preferences. Doug |
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Post by sw on Aug 25, 2009 18:06:36 GMT -5
I will be using 125g Spitfires with Red Hot arrows(appx 435gs total). I will likely later use the 22" Easton Power Bolts or Gold Tip 2s with brass inserts and Al nocks, 4" Blazers and 100g Rage or Spitfires.
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Post by sagittarius on Aug 25, 2009 21:24:36 GMT -5
Doug, Yes, my arrows have the brass inserts. Thanks for the suggestion on the broadheads; I will check them out. Thanks to you too, SW. |
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Post by huntingmike on Aug 25, 2009 22:55:12 GMT -5
I use the wasp boss 100gr. fixed blade. They fly for me like field points. Always pass through and so far all deer recovered.
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Post by dougedwards on Aug 26, 2009 7:57:36 GMT -5
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I've worked a lot with my Parker Saf Mag #175 lately. I'm shooting carbon 20" bolts with indexed Rage 100g 3-blade broadheads and 4" vanes on bolts(403.5g). I'm shooting 341'/sec +/- 0 at 10'. 80 yd groups are appx 2": 60 and down are 1" max. For those of you not familiar with the Parker, the string has no contact with the arrow shelf - no lub needed. It always shoots the same. I use a Sightron 2 42 MM 3X12 Mil dot scope. 1 1/2 dots hi=20 yds, 1 dot hi=30 yds, 1/2 dot low= 40 yds, 2 dots low=50 yds,3 2/3 dots low= 60 yds, top of post =70 yds, 2 dots below post= 80 yds. I need to cant the scope down slightly so 4 dots up is 20 yds and then it could go to 100 yds. These bolts with indexed expandible broadheads out of this x-bow which is fast but not fast by today's fast standards will easily group 2" at 80 yds and that's guessing 2 dots down - not ideal. I believe with an exact aiming point, that 2" @ 100 yds is doable. The 385'/sec Strykeforce shooting 425g bolts, the Stryker at 405-410'/sec will both have 100 yd velocities over what many x-bows have at 10'. X-bow range limitations are mainly in x-bow scopes-lack of long range marking and some are of very poor quality, lack of long range practice - using good rests, lack of effective range finder usage, lack of well matched bolts/aligned broadheads and practice to see what alignment works best, lack of belief concerning what is really possible. The Strykeforce(385), Stryker(405), new Barnett(375'/sec) API Terminator - if actually improved in quality(needed!!) as they say, Parker Cyclone(350), Desert Stryker(350) should all be capable of 100yd shooting. Others may be announced Jan 4-8,2009 at the Archery Dealer's show in Indiana. This isn't claiming the superiority of the x-bow over vertical bows as they also can shoot very accurately at 100 yds. My son's 5 year old Hoyt Razor-Tec set on only #60 will consistently hit the kill zone of the deer at 80 yds with my only occasional shooting of it due to my shoulder problem. Time of flight with both horiz and vertical bows becomes a major ethical issue when considering hunting at these ranges. Some long shots could be ethical while others wouldn't be at all. None of us need to "stick" deer and then loose them. 
