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Post by rangeball on Jan 15, 2009 11:28:21 GMT -5
Not sure who's looking/posting at the old board, so thought I should post this here as well. The weaver classic extreme sounds like everything I like in a scope, but I have a few questions if you don't mind. Do you know of anywhere that shows a pic of what the reticle looks like? It's the german #4 with an illuminated dot in the center, right? I'd be putting it on my SMI converted H&R. Do you think this gun, with the scope mount base directly attached to the barrel, would be easier on the AO than the savage seems to be? Coming very close to ordering one of these, and this info will put the nail in the coffin for sure. Thanks  |
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Post by rangeball on Jan 15, 2009 11:36:47 GMT -5
Also, what kind of warranty is offered with this discounted scope?
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Post by rossman40 on Jan 15, 2009 12:06:11 GMT -5
They are offering both the #4 reticle and the duplex so you have to watch which one you order. Myself I do not like the #4 which may be great for snap shooting but the thick bottom post gets in the way if you have to apply holdover and covers the target. A trick used by German snipers during WWII was to actually mount the scope upside down so that the post was at the top.
As far as I know the scopes at Natchez are not seconds or referbs so they should carry the full warranty. Maybe one of the guys that already have one can verify.
Recoil levels will be about the same except for the factor of rifle weight.
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Post by sw on Jan 15, 2009 14:32:07 GMT -5
As far as I know the scopes at Natchez are not seconds or referbs so they should carry the full warranty. Maybe one of the guys that already have one can verify. Recoil levels will be about the same except for the factor of rifle weight. They are not 2nds or referbs. The recoil might be the same but with the scope mounted directly onto the barrel, there might be more shock imparted to the scope. |
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Post by rossman40 on Jan 15, 2009 15:41:51 GMT -5
IMO since the receiver is a solid extension of the barrel on the Savage you would see more of a effect on the H&R being a break action, you would have the open a closing of the action plus any play in lock-up would also cause a spike.
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Post by dougedwards on Jan 16, 2009 9:22:38 GMT -5
They are offering both the #4 reticle and the duplex so you have to watch which one you order. Myself I do not like the #4 which may be great for snap shooting but the thick bottom post gets in the way if you have to apply holdover and covers the target. A trick used by German snipers during WWII was to actually mount the scope upside down so that the post was at the top. As far as I know the scopes at Natchez are not seconds or referbs so they should carry the full warranty. Maybe one of the guys that already have one can verify. Recoil levels will be about the same except for the factor of rifle weight. A company named Onalaska is handling the service and warranty issues of Weaver scopes and they have confirmed that they will either refund, repair or replace the scope if it is ever found to be defective during the lifetime of the originial owner. These scopes are also being disconituned not because of any negativity associated with the scope but because the new line will incorporate tactical turrets among other things. This info is from Onalaska customer service dept. They continue to claim that the Extreme Classic was designed to perform in dim light situations. Doug |
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Post by rossman40 on Jan 16, 2009 14:14:19 GMT -5
That is good info, Onalsaka Operations is just a division of ATK which handles like accessories. Companies in this group are Weaver, Shooters Ridge, Outers, Ramline and others. ATK also has its Nitrex Optics which I was told is also Japanese made and new is Intensity Optics which is made in the Phillipines.
I'm not a real big fan of tacticle style knobs on a hunting rifle. Too much of a chance something will get turned at the wrong time.
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Post by sw on Jan 16, 2009 22:15:50 GMT -5
They continue to claim that the Extreme Classic was designed to perform in dim light situations. Doug The 2.5X10/50mm WCE is brighter than any of my other scopes which include a 4200 2.5X10 40 mm, Var-X3 6.5X20 40 mm, and a Var-X3 4.5X14 50 mm. |
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Post by KerryB on Jan 17, 2009 13:41:39 GMT -5
Well, based on Steve's review of this scope and always trusting his sage advice.........i ordered three of the Weaver Classic Extreme scopes from Natchez. I got them yesterday and had a chance to try them out both in the evening and at night under a moonlit sky. I wanted a scope that had a good low power setting and 2.5x filled the bill. I also wanted a scope with a slightly higher top end than 9x and 10x was fine for that as well. I wanted a scope with both an extra large objective and a lighted reticle since the extreme early or late hours is when i usually see most of my deer. Finally, if the scope had an adjustable objective, i wanted side focus that i can see and reach easily instead of stretching for the bell adjustment. The three scopes that i ordered were the 2.5-10X56mm with lighted duplex reticle (don't like the German #4)and a side focus. I can tell you that Steve didn't exaggerate any when he described the brightness, resolution, or quality of these scopes. These scopes were $10 more than the 50mm version, but i wanted the greater light gathering capabilities of the 56mm at the higher powers as well as the greater resolution that you get with the larger objective. When this scope is cranked up to 10X, i will have a little advantage with more light coming through the objective and my aging eyes can use all the help they can get. At the lower powers, it really wouldn't make that much difference for me since your eyes can accept less and less light with age and at a certain point a larger exit pupil provides wasted light. The light gathering capability is incredible and even at night with only the light of the half moon, i could easily see to take a shot at a predator. I noticed that my naked eye vision couldn't see any details in areas that were very clearly visible with this scope at the lower settings. The resolution of this scope is astounding and it easily surpasses my Leupold VX-II's, Browning 4200's and Bushnell Elite 3200's that i compared them to in the same power ranges. I looked over all three scopes for any internal or external problems and i found none at all. The illuminated reticle has a good range of brightness and goes low enough to not ruin night vision when hunting near dark conditions. The only thing that i am surprised about is the lack of lens caps to protect the glass, till i can buy good caps. That is a very small price to pay for such excellent optics. These have to be one of the best bargains i have ever taken advantage of and i owe it all to Steve! Thanks buddy! KerryB
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Post by dougedwards on Jan 17, 2009 18:04:22 GMT -5
Now if they can only prove to hold up to the recoil. I am suspecting that they should do as well as any rifle scope that we have tested on a smokeless muzzleloader. The reason for this suspicion is because of the weight of the scope. Three ounces heavier than the Bushnell 6500 2.5-16x50 ( and .6" shorter) it appears to be built like a tank possibly having a slightly thicker 30mm main tube. However most of a rifle scopes weight is not in the aluminum that makes up the tube but in the metals that make up the erector and also the weight of the glass.
It is for this reason that I don't necessarily buy into the notion that scopes that are lighter in weight are better able to handle recoil. Some very heavy scopes such as IOR Valdada and NIghtforce (25-36+ ounces) handle recoil extremely well. The Weaver appears to be a very solidly built scope but only exposure to these heavy hitting rifles will tell us for sure.
Doug
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Post by sw on Jan 17, 2009 21:06:38 GMT -5
Doug, not meaning to beat a dead horse even deader; but this is a factor favoring the 40 and 45 cal barrels. The reduced recoil is easier on everything, including the shooter. This doesn't even get into the flatter trajectory. I'm nowhere nearly as concerned about scope fragility when shooting 200SSTs vs 300SSTs.
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Post by rangeball on Jan 20, 2009 14:23:36 GMT -5
Just to add, UPS just dropped my WCE 2.5x10x50 Ill duplex off. Wow is an understatement. Cosmetics are great, as is the reticle. The center dot looks fantastic. This is the most expensive scope I've ever order, too much of a cheap skate to cut loose for good glass, and this $900 scope at less than $300 is a steal... Hope it holds up, looking forward to many years of service with this puppy Now I need to box up my H&R and ship it to SMI |
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Post by dougedwards on Jan 20, 2009 14:54:56 GMT -5
I also received mine yesterday but with the German #4 reticle. So far very impressed. I am anxious to compare the dim light performance of the scope against my Kahles CL, Bushnell 6500 and Nikon Monarch. I will have to do that on seperate evenings since it is too confusing to compare more than two scopes at a time for me. The little dot on low power is perfect as I was looking through the scope in the moonlight last night. Hope to share a review very soon.
Doug
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Post by KerryB on Jan 22, 2009 11:41:05 GMT -5
I noticed that in the WCE thread on the old board, someone mentioned the lighted reticle not working on their new scope. I thought the exact same thing when i installed the batteries in mine and tried it.............(in a bright room). Then i took it into a dark room and realized that it was working fine...............it is designed for dim conditions!  If anyone else buys these, be sure to check the lighted reticle in dim conditions. They work great when used as intended. With a little more recent testing i am even more impressed with this scope than before. The brightness and clarity of this scope even at higher powers is awe inspiring! Wish i had the spare cash to buy about 20 of these and lock them in the safe for future use! Thanks again for the tip on these Steve! KerryB |
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Post by crusader on Jan 22, 2009 13:16:04 GMT -5
Hey Kerry, it was me who reported that the lighted reticle did not work in my scope. It is possible that I may have messed up somehow, as that was my first lighted reticle scope, but I was in a dark room looking out a window after dusk, and saw no difference in the reticle after it was turned on. A buddy who was with me had the same feeling. So, I believe it was bad.
I am having some second thoughts, though, thinking that maybe I should have just exchanged it, rather than returning it. I did throw out a question in my post, though, that no one answered yet--is the index mark for the power setting on a lighted reticle scope (where the on switch is on top of the scope) always on the side, like the Weaver has? It seems annoying to me, but I guess I could get used to looking at it from the side.
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Post by rossman40 on Jan 22, 2009 13:45:31 GMT -5
You also may have wanted to check if you by chance put the battery in upside down.
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Post by rangeball on Jan 22, 2009 14:20:02 GMT -5
You also have to screw the battery cover down pretty tight.
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Post by sw on Jan 22, 2009 14:34:45 GMT -5
I just got my 2nd WCE, 56 MM conv x-hair, yesterday. I, too, wish I could afford more. The Weaver night vision viewer is unbelievable to me. It turns night into day. AND, I really like the 4X shotgun scope. Maybe, I'm just easily impressed but these all seem very impressive.
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Post by jims on Jan 22, 2009 17:09:23 GMT -5
You guys have nearly convinced me to buy one or more. I did call hoping to get one in silver but no such luck. I hesitate as I have a 50 and 56mm scope and just do not care as much as with a 40mm as I find they get too high off the barrel for my liking.
Do you know if the internal lens are "true" 30mm or one inch type in a 30mm tube? I might be easily convinced to change my mind.
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Post by KerryB on Jan 22, 2009 19:33:40 GMT -5
Hey crusader, i couldn't remember who had the problem with the lighted reticle and don't want you to think i was pointing a finger at anyone. The reticle in these scopes has a very low light setting which is better in my opinion than the models that are too bright at the lowest setting. With the scope set to the lowest brightness setting, it really only lights the center dot which is nice and small. At the brighter settings, the crosshairs start lighting up gradually and in my opinion has a really good adjustment range. To answer your question about the location of the 2.5-10X power ring index mark..........i think they locate the index mark on the left side of the scope because you will be looking down the left side at the parallax adjustment so you can see both adjustments right there together. I personally like seeing both adjustments together and see it as more convenient, but i can see how it might take some getting used to for others. They are an exceptionally nice scope for the money and i simply haven't seen a better deal in a high quality scope before.
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Post by sw on Jan 22, 2009 21:09:40 GMT -5
You guys have nearly convinced me to buy one or more. I did call hoping to get one in silver but no such luck. I hesitate as I have a 50 and 56mm scope and just do not care as much as with a 40mm as I find they get too high off the barrel for my liking. Do you know if the internal lens are "true" 30mm or one inch type in a 30mm tube? I might be easily convinced to change my mind. If you get one and don't like it, I bet we can come up with a great exchange deal for my almost new 6.5X40 Var-X3 40MM silver . It has about 30 shots out of a 22-250 AK IMP on it. The gun weighs >13# so very low recoil. This is a serious offer. |
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Post by jims on Jan 22, 2009 21:17:28 GMT -5
SW: Agreed. I will PM you on the details. Thanks
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Post by sw on Jan 22, 2009 21:26:41 GMT -5
SW: I am not saying I will order one but seriously if I were, which one do you like in case we would talk trade? Do you like the 50 mm or the 56mm and the German or other reticle and why. The problem is, if they are as good as everyone says I might want to keep it. I already have spare scopes awaiting a gun, it is not that initial cost. It is then I "need" another gun, rings etc. My wife has a birthday tomorrow, maybe I could get her the scope. I have no problem with the German #4 reticle, since I shoot a 40 cal with the :)hi BC'd 200SST/195B at significant velocity and don't have the problem with the heavy duplex blocking out the tgt since I don't have to aim that high above the tgt. Actually, I'd probably get the 50 with std reticle. Your wife could really have a great birthday . |
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Post by rossman40 on Jan 22, 2009 21:32:14 GMT -5
All I can say is get them while you can. Supposedly I was told they are being replaced with the Super Slam which is totally different and with 1" tubes. What is now the WCE will morph into the Tacticle Super Slam with the 30mm tubes but the good thing is they will be offering Front Focal Plane (FFP) mildot reticles and 5x erectors. Weaver didn't have the model line-up in stone even for the SHOT show. Another sneaky rumor I was told was that Vortex was also coming out with tacticle line (maybe the same scopes but they are also talking a model with a 35mm tube). Also Sightron is has got some new models in the pipeline. If they follow the LOW game plan these scopes may share technology.
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Post by jims on Jan 22, 2009 22:19:55 GMT -5
Rossman40: Are you for real? Where do you get all this current and helpful information. I think I keep pretty current on things but you are head and shoulders above finding out before I read/hear about it.
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Post by rossman40 on Jan 23, 2009 1:03:56 GMT -5
Intel is intel, if I told you all my secrets i would have to kill you. ;D
I was told this Monday and Koshkin over on optictalks pretty much verified it. So I have high confidence on the intel.
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Post by jims on Jan 24, 2009 17:06:01 GMT -5
 ;D Rossman: You live close enough to me you could do it. I do not need any more information. ;D
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Post by blackhawk7204 on Jan 26, 2009 10:23:01 GMT -5
I just tried to order one from Natchez, They said they can only sell to dealers in Alabama  |
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Post by dougedwards on Jan 26, 2009 17:29:01 GMT -5
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Post by rexxer on Jan 26, 2009 17:43:13 GMT -5
I wish this thread would just go away! Or I wish I knew how much I was getting back from income tax! This gets very tempting. I like the idea of the longer eye relief and the power settings should be about perfect for most people. I just wonder about standing up to recoil? It does seem like a bargain at that price.
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If anyone else buys these, be sure to check the lighted reticle in dim conditions. They work great when used as intended. With a little more recent testing i am even more impressed with this scope than before. The brightness and clarity of this scope even at higher powers is awe inspiring! Wish i had the spare cash to buy about 20 of these and lock them in the safe for future use! 
;D Rossman: You live close enough to me you could do it. I do not need any more information. ;D
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