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Post by mshm99 on Mar 2, 2009 0:26:17 GMT -5
I relieved myself from a stand last year and had a doe eat the wet leaves. I have peed in every scape I've found to no detriment. I believe urine is urine to a deer.
mshm
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Post by dougedwards on Mar 2, 2009 11:16:00 GMT -5
Wow...that is one beautiful buck in the cam picture. I too believe that after a short time that the amonia in human urine evaporates leaving a common scent of urine that isn't specific to the mammal rendering it. However what I don't know is if there is any human specific scent in urine right after it is rendered. I am wondering this because of a condition that causes me to urinate in a hurry when I feel the urge which is probably 20 times per day. Does anyone have any experiences of whitetails visiting a scrape in which you have urinated in within 15 minutes of the occurance?
Doug
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Post by davewolf on Mar 22, 2009 11:17:31 GMT -5
Yes, I have, my hunting buddy urinated in a scrape, took a stand close-by and shot a nice doe within 5-minutes. The doe came to inspect the scrape. I was there so I believe him. Had to go myself one time, and in the process--before I got zipped-up took a decent 7-pt. My hunting buddy now believes he can attract deer by whizzing in a scrape or along a deer trail! I wouldn't go that far, but he hasn't failed in taking a buck, along with numerous does 24-years in a row! Tough for me to argue! Have a great day! Dave
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Post by rangeball on Jun 22, 2009 10:51:13 GMT -5
Several years ago, I experimented with peeing in scrapes. Every one I peed in would be worked over aggressively in the next few days. I've even started mock scrapes with my own discharge that were taken over by deer.
During this time I once sat in a new bow stand that turned out to be 50 yards to far away from the action. It was just in the timber and down a ridge, and I had to cross a small food plot, about 1/4 acre, to get to it. In the middle of this plot was a large cedar tree that always had a huge scrape around it. No good licking branch, but always worked over. On my way in the first morning I hunted the stand, I peed in it. I sat the stand the entire day, sun up to down, and saw about 30 deer, mostly smaller bucks and does, and each one hit the scrape. None spooked or even got nervous.
Since that time, when nature calls, I answer, wherever I am, and it hasn't hurt a thing.
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Post by chuck41 on Jun 23, 2009 12:33:02 GMT -5
I have heard all kinds of opinions about this subject. Apparently everyone has an opinion so you can take your pick. One guy swears by peeing on a scrape to "freshen" it, another insists on carrying a urine bottle and always hauling it out of the woods to eliminate the human scent from the area. Some guys buy all the stuff on sporting goods shelves to eliminate the scents and then some guys like myself figure deer like flowers so a flower scented soap should be perfectly fine. I have even placed a bar of strong smelling soap on a stump near my deer feeder and never see the deer doing anything more than sniffing it before heading to the feeder.
I suspect that in the area where I hunt where there is lots of human traffic the deer tend to ignore human smells just like they tend to ignore the equipment of the tree cutters. You are just as likely to see a big buck standing 10 feet from a huge skidder on Sunday morning as you are most anywhere else. As soon as the chain saws quieten down they come out to explore the freshly cleared areas. Tracks are all around the equipment in the mornings and I know there is lots of human smells, including urine there.
In areas where humans are rare, deer will probably spook easier at the unaccustomed smells. Around my stands I pee when I need to and don't worry about it. After spending hours watching them I have never noticed the deer taking any unusual interest in my pee spots. When I am hunting someone else's blind, I do whatever they want. If they don't pee near their blind, I won't either.
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Post by artjr338wm on Aug 30, 2009 21:17:54 GMT -5
I personally IMHO put the debate on WON human urine will spook deer to rest by purposely setting up a tree stand near a trail a bunch of does and young bucks numbering 12-15 were using to access a bean field each night with such regularity you could as they say, set your watch by them. I arrived in as scent free as I feel is humanly possible and proceeded to take what I like to refer to as a "Lake Michigan piss" as directly on the trail the deer used that had been worn into a strip of mud on the Forrest floor.
Before I go any farther let me interject this: I would add one condition above all else that can through everything out the window. Deer that are at present under little or no hunting pressure act completely different and are willing to IMHO be more tolerant of low levels of human scent than from ones that are under moderate to severe hunting pressure.
I timed this well as to have peed no more than 20 minuets prior to their arrival. The largest doe which I felt was the matriarch of the group, walked over were I peed without so much as a moments pause, all the other deer fallowed suit.
IMHO a mature bucks nose is no more sensitized to human oder than a mature doe's is.
I strongly doubt that human urine will spook deer, especially if an hour or more passes after you pee and the deer come in contact with it.
My opinion on human smell and the affect it has on deer is this: Human smell by it self does not spook deer, it is the level of INTENSITY of the smell as determined by the deer that spooks them or causes them to alter their travel route. By this I mean a deer can by smell intensity alone ( and never has to actually see you) determine how close you are to them and therefore determine if you are a threat or not. I have no doubt a deer can tell by smell if you are far enough away to be outside of what I refer to it's "comfort zone" and will continue on about its activities undisturbed, or if the human smell it detects is strong enough alter its course of action varying in degree from a change in travel direction, up to instant flight back the way it came as fast as it can.
I have no doubt in my mind what so ever that under the right conditions a mature buck or doe can smell a sweated up worse case oder wise human at over 1/2 mile. Keeping that fact in mind, think about this. Unless your hunting deer that live out in places like Wyoming wear seeing or smelling a human is rare except during deer season, deer must smell humans or come into contact with them either by smell or visually almost every day out their lives, it is simply not possible for them to run off in panic every time they see or smell a human if this happens outside of the deer's comfort zone.
I feel based on these facts the deer we hunt in farm country must have developed a certain level of tolerance for human smell based on proximity to them as determine by them by the level of smell intensity. I'm sure urbanized deer have a even higher level of tolerance to human smell.
Just my thoughts based on 25yrs of deer hunting.
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Post by Tarheel on Sept 27, 2009 22:37:13 GMT -5
I believe once it hits the ground he can't tell. The tarsal gland is where individual deer get there scent. IMO. I believe that when a doe smell a fresh scrape and is receptive she too Will urinate in the scrape and when a buck come by checking his scrape and smells her (special scent) in her urine, he hangs around it until he runs up with her.IMO
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Post by Jeff3680 on Oct 12, 2009 19:05:56 GMT -5
Last year I read an article where a hunter pissed into scrapes, thought I would try this myself. I had a camera that had been sitting on an active scrape for a few weeks. I was getting quite a few pics of deer, one buck seemed to show much more than the rest. After one healthy urination a got a few pics of deer crossing the camera but the scrape went dead. Maybe if I was a wimpy little guy I could get by, but I guess they all recognized me as the dominate male in these parts of the woods ..........
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Post by chuck41 on Oct 17, 2009 22:19:41 GMT -5
Jeff3680, Yep, it must be the testosterone level in the urine. Makes them feel no matter what kind of a rack they sport that you must be the horniest dude of the whole bunch and you have claimed the scrape.
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Post by zakjak221 on Oct 21, 2009 11:23:36 GMT -5
I read an article years back where bow hunter Dick Idol used his urine in scrapes to attract bucks to it. He obviously got good results by doing this. Ever since I read this I don't hesitate to go in my stand. Like some of you said--I would tend to believe that urine from different mammals smells different, maybe not?? I know guys that chew,smoke,drink coffee,soda and eat in their stands (gun season) and they kill deer--Go figure!!
Mark
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Post by whelenman on Oct 30, 2009 8:44:00 GMT -5
My solution is easy. Just don't take my diuretic pill the morning I'm hunting and usually I'm good for the morning. In the past though I've worried more about body and breath odor than urine. When I have urinated from the stand I've never seen any sign that the deer were alarmed by it and some ever sniffed the spot under my stand.
One morning before daylight I had just arrived at my stand when a cramp of another sort hit. I finally decided to go back to the cabin but didn't get that far before nature insisted. Anyway, I went back to my stand and hunted for the morning and never saw a thing. On my way out you can guess where a deer was standing. You never can quite figure them out.
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Post by ozark on Oct 30, 2009 11:49:26 GMT -5
The outhouse at our cabin is about 30 feet from the feeder. Deer use the feeder and then sometimes they walk within a yard of the outhouse without showing signs of fear or concern. From that I suspect that it is a non issue as far as spooking deer. My opinion and a few dollars will get you enough shells to cause any deer to respect where you empty your bladder.
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