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Post by smokeeter on Feb 3, 2023 19:51:30 GMT -5
I decided I needed ( more like wanted) a lighter more maneuverable rifle for stalking and tree stand hunting and with all of talk of how favorable the Scout was I pursued the endeavor. This is totally different than any of my bolt action builds that all have custom match grade barrels that all cost about as much as this entire build did, the bolt builds also weigh almost 40% heavier. I do realize this will not be able to handle the same powder charges but it should be more than capable of shooting out to 300 yrds. First of all a big shout out to Jeff Fisk and my buddy Al for helping me with the measurements for making this conversion possible. It started life as a 45-70 which is obviously rated for smokeless application and the breech plug I used is an ASG 209 plug , also designed for smokeless loads, I went with the 209 ignition for ease and convenience. It's a CVA Scout single shot break action rifle, complete with removable muzzle brake ,fluted barrel and integral one piece scope mount. This one weighs in a 8 1/2 lbs. scoped, which is considerably less then my bolt action rifles. I made a loading tube out of a 45-70 shell casing that was drilled thru and cut shorter to allow powder and bullet to get past the muzzle brake , the brake had to be rebored to fit the tube. I plan on using this sabotless so bullets need to be sized to fit the bore and this one requires .4505 dia. bullets , but saboted 40 cal. loads can be used with the brake removed. This one will also be shooting more conservative loads, with expectations of muzzle velocities of 2500 fps. After the installation of the breech plug the Fed.209A primers I was using sealed perfectly on the front of the primer with no leakage or blowby. I didn't really like the idea of removing the spent primer with a prong and the 45-70 extractor wouldn't work on the 209 primers so I made a custom extractor for this . It worked perfectly. NB I left the roll pin and spring out of the frame to allow for easy removal of the extractor for breech plug access, the extractor isn't removable when the rifle is assembled.           |
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Post by peteo on Feb 4, 2023 11:12:38 GMT -5
Great job on building your 209 extractor!
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Post by billc on Feb 4, 2023 20:08:44 GMT -5
Great write up!
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Post by Al on Feb 5, 2023 8:08:11 GMT -5
Reduced loads and 40% lighter?? Your getting soft bud!! Lol
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Post by smokeeter on Feb 5, 2023 20:42:30 GMT -5
Reduced loads and 40% lighter?? Your getting soft bud!! Lol old age will do that to you |
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Post by rpcw on Feb 5, 2023 22:30:32 GMT -5
Looks great!!
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Post by dave d. on Feb 8, 2023 8:13:56 GMT -5
Yes great job smoke love the extractor. My go to is a 8pd encore with sabots Iām getting old too š
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 18:12:39 GMT -5
If you could make one for the t/c Omega that would sale really good.(Myself included)ha ha
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Post by peteo on Feb 9, 2023 22:45:39 GMT -5
Hey Smokeeter, what are those bullets you are using?
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Post by smokeeter on Feb 10, 2023 12:31:03 GMT -5
the ones in the pic are old Hornady PTX 250 gr..452's that I modified
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Post by peteo on Feb 10, 2023 22:25:15 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, you were closing the ends of 458's also with a tool you made. That is pretty slick how you do that. Have you tried the .452 250 FTX in your CVA?
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Post by 1gifford on Feb 17, 2023 14:36:17 GMT -5
Your going to really like that gun.....probably never grab one of the bolt smokeless guns again LOL.....speaking from experience here!
I would bet I am not the only interested in how you made the extractor. Did you modify an old one or start from scratch? inquiring minds want to know!
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Post by lbahunter on Feb 25, 2023 21:28:49 GMT -5
I decided I needed ( more like wanted) a lighter more maneuverable rifle for stalking and tree stand hunting and with all of talk of how favorable the Scout was I pursued the endeavor. This is totally different than any of my bolt action builds that all have custom match grade barrels that all cost about as much as this entire build did, the bolt builds also weigh almost 40% heavier. I do realize this will not be able to handle the same powder charges but it should be more than capable of shooting out to 300 yrds. First of all a big shout out to Jeff Fisk and my buddy Al for helping me with the measurements for making this conversion possible. It started life as a 45-70 which is obviously rated for smokeless application and the breech plug I used is an ASG 209 plug , also designed for smokeless loads, I went with the 209 ignition for ease and convenience. It's a CVA Scout single shot break action rifle, complete with removable muzzle brake ,fluted barrel and integral one piece scope mount. This one weighs in a 8 1/2 lbs. scoped, which is considerably less then my bolt action rifles. I made a loading tube out of a 45-70 shell casing that was drilled thru and cut shorter to allow powder and bullet to get past the muzzle brake , the brake had to be rebored to fit the tube. I plan on using this sabotless so bullets need to be sized to fit the bore and this one requires .4505 dia. bullets , but saboted 40 cal. loads can be used with the brake removed. This one will also be shooting more conservative loads, with expectations of muzzle velocities of 2500 fps. After the installation of the breech plug the Fed.209A primers I was using sealed perfectly on the front of the primer with no leakage or blowby. I didn't really like the idea of removing the spent primer with a prong and the 45-70 extractor wouldn't work on the 209 primers so I made a custom extractor for this . It worked perfectly. NB I left the roll pin and spring out of the frame to allow for easy removal of the extractor for breech plug access, the extractor isn't removable when the rifle is assembled. Posted on the other board.... I went the opposite direction as everyone else when I had my conversion done. My objective was simple, a </= 150 yard low recoil deer killing gun. My black blue Scout is set up for the lighter sabot loads. It has the longer DI plug from Hankins. It takes most of the 45-70 chamber out. I wanted to shoot the faster powders like N110. I shoot bullets mainly from 180gr to 225gr. I tried sabotless but I prefer to shoot a saboted 40 cal 180 - 225gr bullet with N110 than a sabotless 45 cal 250 - 275gr bullet with 4198. That's the great thing about these conversions, versatility. You can set it up about any way you want it but there is limitations. If I was looking for a load that was good to 300 yds in these break actions. I would be looking at Pittman Bullets AccuMax .402" 228 Grain Hardcore in a HLBS with a wool wad with N110 in the 35 - 38gr range or a duplex of N110 and 4198 but would prefer the straight N110 load. I believe the gun and above load would be more than capable. The nut squeezing the trigger would be the weak link....lol.... |
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Post by cuda on Mar 1, 2023 8:21:53 GMT -5
TC is going to stop making them.
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Post by sideshow on Mar 9, 2023 14:18:26 GMT -5
I decided I needed ( more like wanted) a lighter more maneuverable rifle for stalking and tree stand hunting and with all of talk of how favorable the Scout was I pursued the endeavor. This is totally different than any of my bolt action builds that all have custom match grade barrels that all cost about as much as this entire build did, the bolt builds also weigh almost 40% heavier. I do realize this will not be able to handle the same powder charges but it should be more than capable of shooting out to 300 yrds. First of all a big shout out to Jeff Fisk and my buddy Al for helping me with the measurements for making this conversion possible. It started life as a 45-70 which is obviously rated for smokeless application and the breech plug I used is an ASG 209 plug , also designed for smokeless loads, I went with the 209 ignition for ease and convenience. It's a CVA Scout single shot break action rifle, complete with removable muzzle brake ,fluted barrel and integral one piece scope mount. This one weighs in a 8 1/2 lbs. scoped, which is considerably less then my bolt action rifles. I made a loading tube out of a 45-70 shell casing that was drilled thru and cut shorter to allow powder and bullet to get past the muzzle brake , the brake had to be rebored to fit the tube. I plan on using this sabotless so bullets need to be sized to fit the bore and this one requires .4505 dia. bullets , but saboted 40 cal. loads can be used with the brake removed. This one will also be shooting more conservative loads, with expectations of muzzle velocities of 2500 fps. After the installation of the breech plug the Fed.209A primers I was using sealed perfectly on the front of the primer with no leakage or blowby. I didn't really like the idea of removing the spent primer with a prong and the 45-70 extractor wouldn't work on the 209 primers so I made a custom extractor for this . It worked perfectly. NB I left the roll pin and spring out of the frame to allow for easy removal of the extractor for breech plug access, the extractor isn't removable when the rifle is assembled. Smokeeter do you know what the barrel is threaded to and the OD and other dimmensions of the brake ?? That really looks good . Nice build !!! |
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Post by smokeeter on Mar 13, 2023 10:29:41 GMT -5
The muzzlebrake is 0.875" O.D. and 2.375" overall length. the thread size is 18mmx1.0
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Post by sideshow on Mar 15, 2023 4:31:32 GMT -5
The muzzlebrake is 0.875" O.D. and 2.375" overall length. the thread size is 18mmx1.0 Thank you . Again Nice build . I can really appreciate your thoughts on this rifle . |
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