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Post by Iweetodid on May 14, 2021 20:19:58 GMT -5
Well after cleaning a very dirty breach plug properly, I was able to get a 25 grain charge of steel to egnite. 230g jacketed bullet and black night Sabbat. I was very happy. The recoil was not bad but I did notice the primer back out of the primer cup. Is this an indication of head space or to high of a pressure? More testing will follow with this powder over the croney.
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Post by edge on May 14, 2021 21:29:40 GMT -5
SNIP. but I did notice the primer back out of the primer cup. Is this an indication of head space or to high of a pressure? SNIP. Unless the primer is badly bulged, it is the amount of headspace that a tightened barrel COULD get you. IMO, leave the CRUD in the primer pocket and it will headspace itself over time, just clean the 5/32 diameter. If you start to crush the primer, then just clean enough so it fully closes without being too tight. edge |
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Post by Iweetodid on May 14, 2021 21:44:08 GMT -5
OK, that makes sense because it didn't do that before I cleaned It. No bulging of the primer at all. So this means that at 25g of steel it isn't to much pressure.
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Post by edge on May 14, 2021 22:13:07 GMT -5
OK, that makes sense because it didn't do that before I cleaned It. No bulging of the primer at all. So this means that at 25g of steel it isn't to much pressure. IMO, in a 50 caliber it is PROBABLE anemic. Here is a pressure trace with more powder, a heavier bullet in a .45  |
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Post by jims on May 15, 2021 7:02:52 GMT -5
I think edge is correct. If one removes carbon everywhere it can promote better ignition but then initially more of the pressure can come back against the primer. It will carbon up pretty rapidly in the BP body itself. That does not take many shots.
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Post by ET on May 15, 2021 12:09:27 GMT -5
I always look forward to reading posts from others. Not just to follow their progress but hope to find helpful info I can utilize. And I have found a lot more info than I expected.
Edge and Iweetodid, thanks.
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Post by Iweetodid on May 15, 2021 18:17:03 GMT -5
I always look forward to reading posts from others. Not just to follow their progress but hope to find helpful info I can utilize. And I have found a lot more info than I expected. Edge and Iweetodid, thanks. Wow,I didn't think that I contributed much but gained a lot from everyone. This is a good place for making friends and getting very good info. I will however let everyone know how I make out with the alliant steel powder. Thanks for the kind words. |
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Post by edge on May 15, 2021 19:10:24 GMT -5
I don't have Steel on my Quickload.
BUT, looking around the web I found someone that wanted to try it in a pistol, here is the reply from Alliant, do with it as you please:
This from Alliant:
"We tried some STEEL in 44 mag years ago and the results were dismal.
The velocity/pressure variations were extreme. I recommend either our
2400 or 300MP powders. For these powders, data is available so there is
no need to speculate as you have done with STEEL. Thanks for your note
and have a nice day.
Ben Amonette
Consumer Service Manager
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Post by ET on May 15, 2021 19:26:57 GMT -5
Iweetodid
Your post revealed Alliant Steel (a wafer powder, not flake) can be ignited with a standard Savage BP.
The other info you posted triggered a response from Edge that shared a PT even though with a 45 cal. This still tells me a lot and when I get to testing Alliant Steel, I feel I know what will be a good starting point.
If you want to save some bullets bump your load up from 25grs to 30grs and work from there.
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Post by Iweetodid on May 16, 2021 0:23:16 GMT -5
Iweetodid Your post revealed Alliant Steel (a wafer powder, not flake) can be ignited with a standard Savage BP. The other info you posted triggered a response from Edge that shared a PT even though with a 45 cal. This still tells me a lot and when I get to testing Alliant Steel, I feel I know what will be a good starting point. If you want to save some bullets bump your load up from 25grs to 30grs and work from there. OK, so you feel that 25g is a little light. I kinda thought so myself but wasn't to sure because one burn rate chart puts steel above 2400 and another puts it under so was kinda going a little lower charge to be sure not to do any harm. Testing is going to start this week. |
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Post by Iweetodid on May 16, 2021 0:29:44 GMT -5
I don't have Steel on my Quickload. BUT, looking around the web I found someone that wanted to try it in a pistol, here is the reply from Alliant, do with it as you please: This from Alliant: "We tried some STEEL in 44 mag years ago and the results were dismal. The velocity/pressure variations were extreme. I recommend either our 2400 or 300MP powders. For these powders, data is available so there is no need to speculate as you have done with STEEL. Thanks for your note and have a nice day. Ben Amonette Consumer Service Manager I have successfully used steel in a 357 mag,44 mag and 45 colt. Very happy with it but is slow to burn in the 45 colt rifle. |
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Post by ET on May 16, 2021 7:59:28 GMT -5
Iweetodid Your post revealed Alliant Steel (a wafer powder, not flake) can be ignited with a standard Savage BP. The other info you posted triggered a response from Edge that shared a PT even though with a 45 cal. This still tells me a lot and when I get to testing Alliant Steel, I feel I know what will be a good starting point. If you want to save some bullets bump your load up from 25grs to 30grs and work from there. OK, so you feel that 25g is a little light. I kinda thought so myself but wasn't to sure because one burn rate chart puts steel above 2400 and another puts it under so was kinda going a little lower charge to be sure not to do any harm. Testing is going to start this week. I'm glad to see you are approaching loading cautiously and utilizing what info you can find. I look forward to hearing your results and observations. |
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Post by dannoboone on May 16, 2021 10:20:36 GMT -5
I was able to get a 25 grain charge of steel to egnite. 230g jacketed bullet and black night Sabbat. I was very happy. The recoil was not bad but I did notice the primer back out of the primer cup. Is this an indication of head space or to high of a pressure? Does the primer back out of the primer cup when just snapping the primer in your rifle? There was a time when several of us had a problem with light pressure loads. The primer would be so far out of the cup that a second "fire" was needed to seat it again so it could be removed. The theory was that during firing, the primer always backs out of the primer cup and with enough back pressure, the primer would be reseated. Without the needed pressure the primer stayed out of the cup. Right or wrong, upping the pressure solved the problem. With your 230gr bullets, 35gr of Steel in a .50 should be fine, but as always, smaller increases should be used before getting there. |
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Post by Iweetodid on May 16, 2021 21:08:28 GMT -5
I was able to get a 25 grain charge of steel to egnite. 230g jacketed bullet and black night Sabbat. I was very happy. The recoil was not bad but I did notice the primer back out of the primer cup. Is this an indication of head space or to high of a pressure? Does the primer back out of the primer cup when just snapping the primer in your rifle? There was a time when several of us had a problem with light pressure loads. The primer would be so far out of the cup that a second "fire" was needed to seat it again so it could be removed. The theory was that during firing, the primer always backs out of the primer cup and with enough back pressure, the primer would be reseated. Without the needed pressure the primer stayed out of the cup. Right or wrong, upping the pressure solved the problem. With your 230gr bullets, 35gr of Steel in a .50 should be fine, but as always, smaller increases should be used before getting there. that is awsome info as well. I was wondering if the primer backed out because there was to much pressure but if it can do it from to little pressure it would make sense because my load was only 25g and I am hearing I should start with 30g and not to worry about 35 grains. I will work my way up starting at 30g. I have a lot of home made 235g soft lead bullets so not to worried about lead. Hunting will be with the good stuff, xtp's. |
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Post by hillbill37 on Dec 13, 2021 6:21:33 GMT -5
What load did you end up with when using steel? I use a lot of it with shotguns. I wondered how it would work for a ml load or a duplex primer.
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