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Post by tar12 on Feb 12, 2018 18:50:36 GMT -5
What is the difference between capitalism and the welfare mentality. When you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them dignity for their skills. When you give someone something for nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth. Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of value. Socialism is taking your money against your will and shoving something down your throat that you never asked for. I've decided I can't be politically correct anymore. (I never was, actually)  I got this off of the net...So d**n true! |
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Post by eml9 on Feb 12, 2018 21:32:52 GMT -5
Sad thing is many are happy to be robbed of there self worth and dignity to get a free ride on welfare ... GET A JOB. Democrats just buying votes, all it is...
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Post by gunny on Feb 13, 2018 15:52:03 GMT -5
So if your against socialism your against tax . If we did not have tax then no road system , no military, no Social Security, the list goes on ? There is nothing wrong with capitalism ,except i don,t have the luxury of hiring teams of corporate lawyers to avoid paying anything,example Ingersoll /Rand during Bush administration moved their corporate headquarters off shore to not pay their corporate tax . But yet do business here! Oh yah America first . This is wrong and has been going on for a long time and is not going to stop anytime soon . In order for capitalism to work you have to have jobs that pay more than starvation wages. How many corporations are telling their employees to go get help from the government because they are paying low wages i know one for sure and that is Wally World !
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Post by dannoboone on Feb 13, 2018 18:26:51 GMT -5
So if your against socialism your against tax . If we did not have tax then no road system , no military, no Social Security, the list goes on ? There is nothing wrong with capitalism ,except i don,t have the luxury of hiring teams of corporate lawyers to avoid paying anything,example Ingersoll /Rand during Bush administration moved their corporate headquarters off shore to not pay their corporate tax . But yet do business here! Oh yah America first . This is wrong and has been going on for a long time and is not going to stop anytime soon . In order for capitalism to work you have to have jobs that pay more than starvation wages. How many corporations are telling their employees to go get help from the government because they are paying low wages i know one for sure and that is Wally World ! More psycho-babble from the gunny-bunny.  It's pure nonsense to accuse people of being against all tax. Most of us are against the way it is being spent/wasted. That list is so long it could fill a book. Accusing us of being against the military, infra structure and all things NEEDED rather than WANTED, is just nutz! "The trouble with socialism is that sooner or later, we run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher. Corporations did not go off shore to avoid paying their corporate taxes. They did it to pay LESS tax, which they had to pay to the foreign countries in which they moved their headquarters. Trump changed that, and for that reason, many are moving their HQ's back to the USA. Not only that, many foreign businesses are moving their companies here, now that the tax rates are competitive with those in other countries. Why do people want a career in Wally World, fast food joints, etc., anyway? It was once understood those were entry-level jobs for experience to get into the real economy. My kids did so when they were going to higher education, but never planned to STAY there. One is now making 6-figure income and the other is close to it. They had no better opportunities than anyone else, either. If one is satisfied to do nothing for themselves, that's all too often what they get. |
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Post by tedb on Feb 13, 2018 19:59:58 GMT -5
Gunny please lose your handle you are losing face take from a ssgt you have lost realtiy
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Post by tedb on Feb 13, 2018 20:16:44 GMT -5
Oh yea rand was using rules put in place by Clinton if you wonder why I left the suc when I did it was Clinton, So before you say anything else of the only thing that can stop US Milltary is the Democrat party
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Post by tar12 on Feb 13, 2018 20:51:11 GMT -5
Who in the hell is against taxes? They have to be! As Danno has said it is how these taxes are used that are a point of contention with any one of a sound mind! Did you escape from somewhere?
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Post by gunny on Feb 13, 2018 22:38:21 GMT -5
It really irks you that i don,t follow your line of thinking ? You were the one making accusations about people on welfare! Do you think they all want to be there,just as you said walmart was a stepping stone. For many so is welfare,or are they supposed to pull themselves up by their bootstraps?? Must be nice sitting up there high and mighty passing judgement on people who are less fortunate, not knowing what their circumstances are.
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Post by tar12 on Feb 14, 2018 6:20:53 GMT -5
It really irks you that i don,t follow your line of thinking ? You were the one making accusations about people on welfare! Do you think they all want to be there,just as you said walmart was a stepping stone. For many so is welfare,or are they supposed to pull themselves up by their bootstraps?? Must be nice sitting up there high and mighty passing judgement on people who are less fortunate, not knowing what their circumstances are. LMAO! You are brain washed through and through..you do a really pathetic job of towing the Democratic line..Welfare is a safety net...NOT A CARREER CHOICE! This is why the Dimocrats have such a hard time to differentiate between! When you see young able bodied people all around you not working in a labor market with plenty of work to be had while YOU...GUNNY..are paying for their sorry asses to sit when they have the option to work! Explain to me how this is acceptable? Explain to me why Corporations should not get tax breaks to create even more jobs? Explain to me why bringing back Americans companies to US soil is a bad thing? Explain to me why you are proud to be called a American? Explain to me your version of self worth? Explain to me what accountability is? Explain to me what pride is? Explain if you can....I am not very hopefull... |
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Post by gunny on Feb 14, 2018 14:01:34 GMT -5
Now that is exactly what i'm saying Tar you think you know , do you really ? Do you know why those people you speak of, really are not employed ? Or are you just saying that because to have a someone to blame with no facts ? I do agree with you that welfare was not meant to be a lifestyle. I did not know you were qualified to make that call whether someone meets the criteria to collect benefits or not. I thought a doctor was involved and other agencies before aid can be obtained ? Hey who knows maybe those young people you see all around have wealthy parents , then again maybe not ! A job does not define a person,s self worth Tar i know people who have had great jobs , i thought, but low self worth. Again in an interview i watched with a handful of CEO,s of Fortune 500 companies they said the majority will be stock by backs ! Hows that for creating jobs ? I'm still proud to be an American ,i have around the world enough to appreciate the country i live in . But you know what ? Nearly everyday that goes by with a new scandal coming out of the White House really make me sad what is happening with our country.
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Post by tar12 on Feb 14, 2018 19:43:15 GMT -5
Gunny I dont normally engage the challenged but you are the exception as you provide a great deal of entertainment! Thank you! I hope you can stay on track this time...first let me quantify that I am not a doctor nor do i need to be one to understand the basic black and white differences between welfare that does not need... by and large... any doctors approval VS disability that indeed needs documentation from a qualified Dr....do i need to slow down typing so this can sink in? I dont know what world you live in but you can look around any part of this country and see able bodied people not working...with self worth or not....from all walks of life..all races...i see these people all around me...many i know on a personal level...when offered work they want no part of it...they dont have to work when a free tax payer hand out is available..they are on social media bragging of it..their self worth seems to be where they want it..this is what I know and see...not speculation. There are those who are not in need and milk the system...and they are many according to our own governments facts and figures...both Republican and Democratic studies...you can look it up.There is no argument here! They are draining our resources! White,Black,Red,Pink,Purple,Brown...it matters not! It is what it is! There is trash in every race.You are correct...a job by its self does not determine ones self worth...neither does your net worth...neither does who you know....neither does your appearance....neither does what you achieve...you know what does matters after you are blind sided by life with a unexpected curveball? It is what you do with that experience that matters...not woe be me and stick your hand out...pick your ass up and move on! THAT brings about self worth! Would you feel better not working or working? Would you feel better buying something you want or just watching in the shadows as those around you do? Knowing that you did it by yourself? A lot of people have been there...yours truly included..it was a beautiful thing to rebound and become a better person from within as a result...to achieve things that my self worth would not allow prior....i am sure I have left a lot out but thats the jest..Once again...if you cant stay on track...dont bother...as it makes you look the fool.
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Post by gunny on Feb 15, 2018 1:58:00 GMT -5
Cutting me down won,t improve your self worth , but if you feel the need to do so go to right ahead I have big shoulders . So welfare is ruining the country , those d**n poor people using all them free bee,s . If you think welfare is the problem then how about Corperate Welfare?? I guess it’s not ok to help poor people, but is just fine to give it to corporations who are making obsene record profits ?
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Post by tar12 on Feb 15, 2018 6:19:23 GMT -5
Cutting me down won,t improve your self worth , but if you feel the need to do so go to right ahead I have big shoulders . So welfare is ruining the country , those d**n poor people using all them free bee,s . If you think welfare is the problem then how about Corperate Welfare?? I guess it’s not ok to help poor people, but is just fine to give it to corporations who are making obsene record profits ? You do a perfectly fine job of cutting your own throat...your reply once again demostrates your lack of skills to debate a issue by not staying on track...welfare is just one of many issues that is draining this country dry. |
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Post by gunny on Feb 15, 2018 8:56:06 GMT -5
No answer on corporate welfare ? You mean by staying on track i need to agree with you ? Those skills you say im deficient in have worked just fine for a lot of years and im confident they will work for many more God willing .Hey you have a great day.
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Post by 1coyotemaster on Feb 15, 2018 10:57:18 GMT -5
Sad thing is many are happy to be robbed of there self worth and dignity to get a free ride on welfare ... GET A JOB. Democrats just buying votes, all it is... Buying votes! And therein lies the current push by the Dems for open borders-more democrats- I am not implying that all immigrants are going to be on entitlement programs but it is estimated 85% will and do vote Democratic candidates in--for more entitlement programs. Pelosi and Schummer would have gloves on building the wall if they thought the immigrants were going to vote Republican. The blacks are waking up to the fact that they have been used for years and more are moving to the conservative side--especially the upward mobile who feel they want a better life (definition of self worth?) for themselves and offspring than government check. When you're losing your base you need more democratic voters-enter illegals. The only error I can see if President Trumps logic in creating more jobs is that he thinks that all people have the same work ethic that he has---- not necessarily. There are generational welfare recipients and they feel just fine where they are, work is a dirty four letter word in their world. If you deny this Gunny review the BLM protests--midday-- the age of protesters-- and where they should have been(hint--at work). Tar you're right on the money, in boxing parlance "it doesn't matter how many times you're knocked down--it's how many times you get back up that defines true winners". The sheer number of young able bodied people on SSI disability is staggering and according to recent numbers the SS system is paying out more than it is taking in--there is no surplus fund. Your wage deduction is going straight through to DACA recipients and other entitlement programs. |
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Post by dannoboone on Feb 15, 2018 11:53:13 GMT -5
No answer on corporate welfare? Except in "stimulus" bills, there has never been any such thing. (Go ahead gunny, BITE.....please!) |
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Post by gunny on Feb 15, 2018 14:20:53 GMT -5
So now let’s look at the big picture. The final totals are $59 billion, 3 percent of the total federal budget, for regular welfare and $92 billion, 5 percent of the total federal budget, for corporations. So, the government spends roughly 50% more on corporate welfare than it does on these particular public assistance programs. Gee found this on The RallyPoint anyone familiar with the Profession Military Network ?? MSgt Michael Bischoff author. You guys crack me up , have a great day !
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Post by dannoboone on Feb 15, 2018 14:33:52 GMT -5
Welfare comes from taxation and is distributed to others. Please
show us where this budget GIVES $92 billion to corporations?
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Post by gunny on Feb 15, 2018 14:50:18 GMT -5
I gave you an example ! Please look it up ! Im sure its a lot more after the current tax giveaway to corporations.
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Post by dannoboone on Feb 15, 2018 15:04:29 GMT -5
I gave you an example ! Please look it up ! Im sure its a lot more after the current tax giveaway to corporations. No, you gave us a twisted version of what welfare is. As stated above, the past stimulus give-aways were the only version of welfare that corporations have gotten. Only in your world is a tax reduction a tax giveaway or corporate welfare. Another DimicRAT twist: D Senator or Congressperson writes a bill for a 10% increase of their favorite welfare package. Rep Senator or Congressperson counters with a 5% increase. Then damocRAT politicians go out in front of the cameras crying, "The heartless Republicans want to cut funding 5% for the poor." The drive-by MSM push the story all over the news for days in an attempt to make every Joe-blow on the street think the Republicans are cruel and heartless. Even Bill Clinton admitted to this tactic when pressed on the issue, then said, "But hey, it works!" |
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Post by gunny on Feb 15, 2018 16:51:51 GMT -5
So again in your world welfare only exists if poor people get help from tax dollars ,but when corporations get help from tax dollars that's perfectly ok with you. You must like giving handouts to the 1 percent. In turn that one percent encourage their employees to get government assistance. Yes ,like Walmart who cost tax payers 6.2 Billion in public assistance that came from Forbes 2014. Look up Walmart on Tax Day a pdf file it explains how you are paying for their employees.But you probably won,t . Because God almighty i gets my news from Fox ,its gotta be true .
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Post by dannoboone on Feb 15, 2018 17:51:12 GMT -5
So again in your world welfare only exists if poor people get help from tax dollars , Because God almighty i gets my news from Fox ,its gotta be true . Answer to first statement: Correct. I believe in calling a crow black, whether it is PC or not: "Welfare is the provision of a minimal level of well-being and social support for citizens without current means to support basic needs. In most developed countries, welfare is largely provided by the government from tax income, and to a lesser extent by charities, informal social groups, religious groups, and inter-governmental organizations." Wikipedia Answer to 2d statement: Fox is but one source of many, including your lame stream media. |
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Post by tedb on Feb 15, 2018 20:16:09 GMT -5
Wasn’t Obama in office in 14?  |
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Post by rjhans53 on Feb 15, 2018 22:25:50 GMT -5
yep I know this sounds like I keep my head buried in the sand, but may father taught me a long time ago, don't argue politics or religion, there is no right side, and most the time he's right
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Post by gunny on Feb 16, 2018 8:15:15 GMT -5
I'm not going to change your mind and your not going change mine. How about we agree to disagree?
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Post by aldeerhunter on Mar 1, 2018 11:57:55 GMT -5
I'm not going to change your mind and your not going change mine. How about we agree to disagree? Good idea. I am out of 🍿. 🤪 |
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Post by hatchetjack1 on Mar 1, 2018 18:41:48 GMT -5
I'm not going to change your mind and your not going change mine. How about we agree to disagree? How about you agree to change your screen name to "Snowflake". Because Lord knows there is not a single red blooded American gunny who would have your sick & twisted, liberal views. I said it before and will say it again. You using that screen name is pure and simple ''stolen valor''. |
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Post by tedb on Mar 1, 2018 19:16:24 GMT -5
I'm not going to change your mind and your not going change mine. How about we agree to disagree? How about you agree to change your screen name to "Snowflake". Because Lord knows there is not a single red blooded American gunny who would have your sick & twisted, liberal views. I said it before and will say it again. You using that screen name is pure and simple ''stolen valor''. What he said |
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